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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. But it isn't quite that simple Mineral Man
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:36 AM
Sep 2017

You don't address that many doctors are moving away from taking Medicare at all. Here is an example: In our county, we have 14 doctors. Only two of them take Medicare patients. One of them is no longer taking any new Medicare patients. What that means, is if you are a recently retired Senior to our county, you will probably have to drive 45 miles to the nearest doctor who will take you as a Medicare patient. What happens to someone who is disabled, gets on the Medicare for all program and can't find a doctor? You say Medicare pays 80% but that is not quite the case. They pay 80% of an amount "they" allow for a procedure. Medicare does not cover much chemotherapy for cancer patients. They do not cover vision or dental. I have to disagree with you on supplemental policies. The cheapest one we could fine was 262.00 per month for each of us. That is another nearly 600.00 per month on top of the 267.00 we already pay each out of our Social Security checks for Medicare because it is means tested. Medicare as we now know it would have to be drastically revised for it to work for everyone. The government would have to step in and insist that all doctors take Medicare. How does that work? I would love to see a Medicare for All plan in this country but only if all the details are worked out on paper, only if all doctors are required to take it, only if all Seniors are completely covered and that includes medicine, vision, and dental, nursing homes and assisted living, only if all children are completely covered including medicine, dental, and vision care, and only if the premiums are lower than what my Social Security income is, and only if no taxes are raised on Seniors, ever!

Not a bad approach. It is significantly different from Sanders' plan which has no coinsurance Hoyt Sep 2017 #1
My real point is that, no matter how the system is configured, MineralMan Sep 2017 #2
I agree. It's got to be simple, show real savings, and make the change palatable/unconcerning. Hoyt Sep 2017 #5
Whatever system is proposed and whenever there is a realistic MineralMan Sep 2017 #7
To move it forward, I think you need to be able to tell the Average Jane about what it Hoyt Sep 2017 #9
Well, if a single-payer concept is what it's supposed to be, MineralMan Sep 2017 #13
I don't buy that reduction in admin cost. Fact is, docs submit the same claim to any payer and Hoyt Sep 2017 #15
Medicare sets the amount they will pay for procedures, etc. MineralMan Sep 2017 #20
Today, most insurers pay a percentage of Medicare's Fee Schedule. Providers don't set the payments Hoyt Sep 2017 #22
Your points are well taken. If only we all will have the patience to work through the political haveahart Sep 2017 #6
Not quite that simple-- who actually analyzes costs/benefits when making decisions? TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #3
What I wrote has no details at all in it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #4
But it isn't quite that simple Mineral Man leftofcool Sep 2017 #8
Here's the thing. No. MineralMan Sep 2017 #10
No, I am not confused at all leftofcool Sep 2017 #11
If everyone is covered by Medicare or any universal system, MineralMan Sep 2017 #14
I hear you. I do think that if everyone, but a few, had the standard plan -- Doctors Hoyt Sep 2017 #12
Mineral Man, my husband and I have been on Medicare for several years. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #16
Thank you for this post. SharonClark Sep 2017 #17
Yes, I failed to mention that the Part A Medicare is already paid for. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #18
Yes, thanks. That's how most people on Medicare see it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #19
Yes, yes, yes to everything you said. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #30
Ask People on Medicare What They Think of Medicare! MineralMan Sep 2017 #32
Sorry but that IS NOT AT ALL what the proposed plan does. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #21
I'm not talking about any specific plan. MineralMan Sep 2017 #23
You are talking about selling Medicare for All in the context of Bernie's plan being released berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #24
Thanks for your advice. I choose to ignore it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #26
Again, I am not talking about "Bernie's Plan" at all. MineralMan Sep 2017 #34
The REAL Key to Selling Medicare for All berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #25
One GREAT way to sell this to those who cant be sold, is to relieve employers entirely Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27
Yes, a simple payroll tax, and an end to paying an insurance company MineralMan Sep 2017 #28
This whole thing can work, I am not a fan of doing it without full party support but that aside Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #29
Something certainly can work, whatever it is called. MineralMan Sep 2017 #31
We are our own worst enemies; same reason trump has the ability to cause Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #33
That's a different issue, but it's the issue we should all be MineralMan Sep 2017 #35
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