Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. It's in the article, didn't you read it?
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:55 PM
Sep 2017
We outline below some of the most glaring errors in the Holahan analysis (which served as the basis for Tax Policy Center’s estimates) regarding health care spending under the Sanders plan.

1. Administrative savings, Part 1: Holahan assumes that insurance overhead would be reduced to 6 percent of total health spending from the current level of 9.5 percent. They base this 6 percent estimate on figures for Medicare’s current overhead, which include the extraordinarily high overhead costs of private Medicare HMOs run by UnitedHealthcare and other insurance firms. However, Sen. Sanders’ proposal would exclude these for-profit insurers, and instead build on the traditional Medicare program, whose overhead is less than 3 percent. Moreover, even this 3 percent figure is probably too high, since Sanders’ plan would simplify hospital payment by funding them through global budgets (similar to the way fire departments are paid), rather than the current patient-by-patient payments. Hence a more realistic estimate would assume that insurance overhead would drop to Canada’s level of about 1.8 percent. Cutting insurance overhead to 2 percent (rather than the 6 percent that Holahan projects) would save an additional $1.7 trillion over the next 10 years.

2. Administrative savings, Part 2
: Holahan completely ignores the huge savings on hospital administration and doctors’ billing under a streamlined single-payer system. Every serious analyst of single-payer reform has acknowledged these savings, including the Congressional Budget Office, the Government Accountability Office, the Lewin Group (a consulting firm owned by UnitedHealth Group), and even Kenneth Thorpe (a former Clinton administration official who has criticized Sanders’ plan, although his recent estimates of savings are far lower than those he made prior to the current presidential campaign).

These provider savings on paperwork would, in fact, be much larger than the savings on insurance overhead. At present, U.S. hospitals spend one-quarter of their total budgets on billing and administration, more than twice as much as hospitals spend in single-payer systems like Canada’s or Scotland’s. Similarly, U.S. physicians, who must bill hundreds of different insurance plans with varying payment and coverage rules, spend two to three times as much as our Canadian colleagues on billing.

Overall, these administrative savings for doctors and hospitals would amount to about $2.57 trillion over 10 years. Additional savings of more than $1.5 trillion from streamlined billing and administration would accrue to nursing homes, home care agencies, ambulance companies, drug stores and other health care providers.

In total, the Holahan analysis underestimates administrative savings by about $6 trillion over 10 years.

3. Drug costs: Holahan projects that a single-payer plan would have to pay 50 percent higher drug costs than those paid at present by Medicaid. Moreover, their estimate assumes that the U.S. would continue to pay much higher prices for drugs than other nations, despite the fact that a U.S. single-payer system would have much greater negotiating leverage with drug companies than other national health insurance schemes.

Reducing drug prices to the levels currently paid by European nations would save at least $1.1 trillion more than Holahan posits over 10 years.

4. Utilization of care: Holahan projects a massive increase in acute care utilization, but does not provide detailed breakdowns of how big an increase they foresee for specific services like doctor visits or hospital care. However, it is clear that the medical care system does not have the capacity to provide the huge surge in care that he posits.

For instance Holahan’s figures for the increase in acute care suggest that Sanders’ plan would result in more than 100 million additional doctor visits and several million more hospitalizations each year. But there just aren’t enough doctors and hospital beds to deliver that much care. Doctors are already working 53 hours per week, and experience from past reforms tells us that they won’t increase their hours, nor will they see many more patients per hour.

Instead of a huge surge in utilization, more realistic projections would assume that doctors and hospitals would reduce the amount of unnecessary care they’re now delivering in order to deliver needed care to those who are currently not getting what they need. That’s what happened in Canada. Doctors and hospitals can adjust care to meet increasing demand, as happens every year during flu season.

Moreover, no surge materialized when Medicare was implemented and millions of previously uninsured seniors got coverage. Between 1964 (before Medicare) and 1966 (the year when Medicare was fully functioning) there was absolutely no increase in the total number of doctor visit in the U.S.; Americans averaged 4.3 visits per person in 1964 and 4.3 visits per person in 1966. Instead, the number of visits by poor seniors went up, while the number of visits by healthy and wealthy patients went down slightly. The same thing happened in hospitals. There were no waiting lists, just a reduction in the utilization of unneeded elective care by wealthier patients, and the delivery of more care to sick people who needed it.

Bizarrely, despite projecting a roughly $1.6 trillion increase in total payments to doctors over 10 years, Holahan says in his discussion that “Physician incomes would be squeezed by the new payment rates.”

***


In summary, Holahan grossly underestimates the administrative savings under single payer; projects increases in the number of doctor visits and hospitalizations that far exceed the capacity of doctors and hospitals to provide this added care; and posits that our country would continue to pay much more for drugs and medical equipment than people in every other nation with national health insurance.

Rather than increasing national health spending, as Holahan claims, Sanders’ plan (and the plan proposed by Physicians for a National Health Program) would almost certainly decrease total health spending over the next 10 years.

Drs. Himmelstein and Woolhandler are professors of health policy and management at the City University of New York School of Public Health and lecturers in medicine at Harvard Medical School. The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those institutions’.


Let's highlight their credentials again for those who want to dismiss their summary as the opinion of mere 'bloggers':

Drs. Himmelstein and Woolhandler are professors of health policy and management at the City University of New York School of Public Health and lecturers in medicine at Harvard Medical School.



You're welcome!



We are fond of CBO scoring? Shall we wait for that?


The think tank didn't wait, and neither did you, so what changed after this article was posted?

Are these alternative facts? BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #1
The Urban Institute is a liberal think tank... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #2
The Urban Institute is funded by health insurance and pharma interests. QC Sep 2017 #4
Still shooting? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #6
The president is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #8
Show me the "liberal" analysis... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #9
It's in the article, didn't you read it? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #11
The opinion of some HuffPo bloggers? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #12
Urban Inst. funded by Cigna & Pfizer CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #15
Cigna and Pfizer? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #20
+++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #25
Sourcewatch CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #43
That's a barely edited copy of the UI wikipedia page. ehrnst Sep 2017 #103
No they're not. They get less than 2% of their revenue from corporations. George II Sep 2017 #40
Sourcewatch CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #42
That says "industry funders are Cigna and Pfizer", it doesn't say how much. Plus... George II Sep 2017 #46
A copy and paste of the Urban Institute WIKIPEDIA page? ehrnst Sep 2017 #76
At least yours is reasonably current, not six years old, and has no mention of Cigna or Pfizer... George II Sep 2017 #87
Because Sourcewatch, which calls copy/paste from Wikipedia "research" says so? ehrnst Sep 2017 #101
Well done. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #27
Amazing Lordquinton Sep 2017 #60
Wait so SourceWatch thinks Keynesian economics is conservative? mythology Sep 2017 #21
Thank you! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #23
+++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #31
Sarah Rosen Wartell is the President of the Urban Institute. George II Sep 2017 #35
Wait...Keynsian ecomomics is now a hall-mark of "the conservative wing of the Democratic party?" Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #61
Sounds hardright conservative to me. ananda Sep 2017 #14
Most recent revenue report (2015) yallerdawg Sep 2017 #18
How did you do that? I typed out the breakdown of their funding below (sans last two, got tired!!!) George II Sep 2017 #36
I tell you what. ananda Sep 2017 #117
If the information being provided is inaccurate, it would sound that way. But... George II Sep 2017 #59
With 1.4% of funding from corporate sources? Hardly. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #69
Actually it's a left leaning research org, as indicated by their partnerships ehrnst Sep 2017 #109
Here's a breakdown of their revenue: George II Sep 2017 #34
Much more recent, but I guess that 1.4% is enough to make it impure. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #57
Not really. It completely depends on the project. Look at NPR. ehrnst Sep 2017 #111
But if a corporation touches anything, it becomes impure! Unless it has been blessed of course Ninsianna Sep 2017 #113
Of course. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #114
Well, not really. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #56
Your link provides no evidence of significant funding. No dollar amounts, and no corporate donors pnwmom Sep 2017 #68
Again with the misrepresentation of the numbers to kill the messenger.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #75
A copy and paste of the Urban Institute WIKIPEDIA page? ehrnst Sep 2017 #77
Damn, that's liberal??? workinclasszero Sep 2017 #110
No, that's misinformation ehrnst Sep 2017 #115
DURec leftstreet Sep 2017 #3
18 trillion is probably low Progressive dog Sep 2017 #5
+++++++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #10
It doesn't sound like Himmelstein is just picking numbers to fit his preference. dgauss Sep 2017 #13
Sure they would and the people put out Progressive dog Sep 2017 #17
People are freaking out about our national debt... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #22
So the ACA caused Reagan and Bush to win? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #29
Where do you get "Reagan and Bush" from this? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #33
You said: What flipped the US to Republican? The Affordable Care Act!!! guillaumeb Sep 2017 #38
Trying very hard to make a faulty strawman into a brilliant reposte... ehrnst Sep 2017 #80
Too many democrats vote only in Presidential elections. n/t whathehell Sep 2017 #54
I don't see any mention of Reagan or Bush there, do you? George II Sep 2017 #37
Please see reply #38. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #39
But that's a post from you. And... George II Sep 2017 #44
The ACA is a renamed "Romney care" that the GOP called Obamacare to play to the racism guillaumeb Sep 2017 #45
No, the ACA is the ACA, nicknamed "Obamacare". Has nothing to do with Romneycare except... George II Sep 2017 #47
The differences are that the ACA is Federal, the other is state. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #48
Most countries do it with multi-payer system, some of which use private insurance companies to ehrnst Sep 2017 #97
...to be fair, Romney got it from the Heritage Foundation. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #50
In other countries Lordquinton Sep 2017 #64
Obama also said that it would not be wise to go directly to Single Payer from our current system ehrnst Sep 2017 #98
He did. He also pushed for a public option, which a couple Senators killed. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #102
I guess that he didn't actually think it was the "only moral, fiscal" solution. ehrnst Sep 2017 #104
you didn't answer. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #105
This is what happened. ehrnst Sep 2017 #106
Like going down a rabbit hole, isn't it? ehrnst Sep 2017 #81
it's a "rabbit hole" to point out that the ACA has its origins in a Heritage Foundation proposal? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #89
My bad ehrnst Sep 2017 #99
So, the claim was that the ACA flipped us to republican Lordquinton Sep 2017 #63
Do you folks forget that between Reagan and Bush (not sure which, probably the first) were... George II Sep 2017 #65
What two democratic presidents were those? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #66
Between Reagan and Bush and today. I'm sure you knew that is what was meant. George II Sep 2017 #67
This whole subthread is based on semantic nitpicking Lordquinton Sep 2017 #71
I really don't. It connected the ACA with Presidents Reagan and Bush, which occurred almost.... George II Sep 2017 #72
No it didn't Lordquinton Sep 2017 #73
Logic isn't going to work here. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #82
I realized that yesterday and just gave up. It was like.... George II Sep 2017 #84
It's a way that people who feel a need to Mansplain ehrnst Sep 2017 #86
Those would be Republican people.. whathehell Sep 2017 #53
"entitlement programs we are already running in the red!" Lordquinton Sep 2017 #62
Sure, and it could be fiftytwenty majilliozillion! Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #41
A welcome dose of reality in an overheated debate. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #49
You don't think demand would go up? MichMan Sep 2017 #51
When people go see the doctor for checkups and get regular dental care Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #52
Someone who can't multiply 10 Progressive dog Sep 2017 #85
And someone who doesn't understand that when you pay for something with cash Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #88
I don't even get what you are talking about Progressive dog Sep 2017 #90
And a Single Payer System isn't going to magically create more health care spending. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #91
The math is easy, no one other than the proponents Progressive dog Sep 2017 #92
You're deliberately ignoring the point. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #93
You are missing the point, not me Progressive dog Sep 2017 #95
"People do worry about their health and they will use more care if it is free" Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #96
An easy truth Progressive dog Sep 2017 #112
Actually, the increase in the number of people using health care is a cost issue in implementation ehrnst Sep 2017 #108
I guess any dissent from that bill is "making up numbers." ehrnst Sep 2017 #107
K & R! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #7
You mean I read a 5 author 30 page analysis ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #16
You should have just read a blog where people say stuff they don't back up. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #55
K&R nt Rob H. Sep 2017 #19
K&R nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #24
They HATE unions! juxtaposed Sep 2017 #26
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #30
Who? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #79
Recommended. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #28
That was written over a year ago. Hoyt Sep 2017 #32
Yes, for the plan that Sanders submitted last year ehrnst Sep 2017 #78
Poorly written legislation forces speculation. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #58
I want to know why Sanders chose to announce his single payer on the same day everyone knew pnwmom Sep 2017 #70
That's a strategy that Sanders has used before to draw focus. ehrnst Sep 2017 #83
OMG, a liberal think tank decided to take a closer look at the actual numbers. ehrnst Sep 2017 #74
The text of the actual bill that was introduced lapucelle Sep 2017 #94
Yes, this is the analysis of the 2016 plan. ehrnst Sep 2017 #100
Yes, money from Cigna talks. alarimer Sep 2017 #116
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Urban Institute's Att...»Reply #11