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In reply to the discussion: Question about Hillary Clinton and the white working class [View all]BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)21. Plus 35 years in the power bubble
David Remnick has a good take on her tone deafness and how Trump (of all people) was able to benefit in the most recent New Yorker:
Time and investigation will tell whether Donald Trump or his surrogates colluded in any foreign interference in the election; what is entirely clear is that he was, with his penchant for exploiting an enemys weakness, eager to add weight to the heavy baggage that Clinton, after thirty-five years in public life, carried into the campaign. Trump, who lives in gilded penthouses and palaces, who flies in planes and helicopters emblazoned with his name, who does business with mobsters, campaigned in 2016 by saying that he spoke for the working man, that he alone heard them and felt their anger, and by branding Hillary Clinton an élitist, out of touch with her country. The irony is as easy as it is enormous, and yet Clinton made it possible.She practically kicked off her campaign by telling Diane Sawyer that the reason she and her husband cashed in on the lecture circuit on such an epic scale was that, when they left the White House, in 2001, they were dead broke. As earnestly as she has worked on behalf of women, the disadvantaged, and many other constituencies, Clinton does not, for many people, radiate a sense of empathy. A resident of a bubble of power since her days in the Arkansas governors mansion, she makes it hard even for many supporters to imagine that her feet ever touch the ground. In What Happened, she describes how, when considering whether to run again in 2016, she had to consider all her negativesClinton fatigue, the dynastic question, her age, the accumulated distrust between her and the pressand then says that she completed the deliberative process by going to stay with Oscar and Annette de la Renta at Casa de Campo, their retreat in the Dominican Republic. We swam, we ate good food, and thought about the future. By the time we got back, I was ready to run. This is perhaps not a universally relatable anecdote. Nor did she see much wrong with giving twenty-odd million dollars worth of speeches, including to Goldman Sachs and other financial institutions, conceding only that it was, in hindsight, bad optics. (I didnt think many Americans would believe that Id sell a lifetime of principle and advocacy for any price, she writes. Thats on me.)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/25/hillary-clinton-looks-back-in-anger
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/25/hillary-clinton-looks-back-in-anger
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She lost in the rust belt by razor thin margins. some people thought those states were "safe"
emulatorloo
Sep 2017
#6
But a "billionaire" with a fondness for bankruptcies and cheating hard working Americans was better?
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#10
It's my opinion-if you can find data showing working people liked it let me know.
jalan48
Sep 2017
#16
Oh you 'felt' that way, even though you don't have a damn thing to back it up.
emulatorloo
Sep 2017
#18
Let's run someone again who has made a lot of money giving speeches to Wall Street
jalan48
Sep 2017
#20
Let's have you prove your original assertion before you try to distract with hypotheticals
emulatorloo
Sep 2017
#22
Trump campaigned by saying he still kick out brown people. White people who voted for him
JI7
Sep 2017
#37
Her GE opponent constantly insulted her. A subset of her PE opponent's base constantly insulted her.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#9
In 2008, you're talking about relative popularity amongst the motivated DEMOCRATIC electorate
11cents
Sep 2017
#13
HRC was popular among the WWC in 2008 and she was also popular with them when she was Secretary of
StevieM
Sep 2017
#28
Obama steadily turned off white working class voters and Hillary inherited the plummet
Awsi Dooger
Sep 2017
#44