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Cicada

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22. Good luck lowering income of medical providers
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:07 PM
Sep 2017

We can be more efficient but that means somebody gets less money. They will fight to keep the money.

In other countries there are limits on medical charges. A doctor in Japan has a book with maximum prices for different tasks. Treating a cut up to five inches ling X yen, etc. A medical scan which costs $1000 here might be limited to $112 in Japan. That is an accurate measure of relative cost for many scan images. Yet the govt in Japan carefully studies costs to make sure their medical providers are paid a fair amount.

We could and should impose similar cost controls but good luck trying to pass a law cutting doctor incomes forty percent.

I'm not really sure, yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2017 #1
You are correct genxlib Sep 2017 #2
The better question might be genxlib Sep 2017 #3
It's the old "socialized medicine" routine. CTyankee Sep 2017 #5
"Why aren't SMALL businesses in favor of Single Payer. " Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #16
How many small businesses provide health benefits in the first place? Angleae Sep 2017 #23
Bingo Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #15
It's harder for a worker to leave a job that provides medical insurance, yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2017 #4
That's my thinking as well. Mariana Sep 2017 #40
Because it will affect their pricing structures. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #6
How is it funded? Let's say it's like Germany... 15% payroll tax half funded by employee taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #7
We spend twice as much per capital as Germany Cicada Sep 2017 #10
We spend more because our system needs to change. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #14
Good luck lowering income of medical providers Cicada Sep 2017 #22
I would pass that law Not Ruth Sep 2017 #29
Well, then, let's give up. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #45
I agree with you BUT Cicada Sep 2017 #46
The proposed funding is 7.5 not 15. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #25
Small business would fight this...not all of them offer health insurance. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38
Yes they are free riders on the existing system. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #39
Or some provide extra money for people to buy their own...but either way...another opponent for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #41
to be clear the opponents in this case would be "small businesses that cannot be bothered to provide Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #42
They don't have single payer in Germany. They have a plan more similar to the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #31
Why don't police unions call for gun control? Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #8
Company I work for wants it. Xolodno Sep 2017 #9
Who will pay the additional 2 trillion tax? Cicada Sep 2017 #11
there are several options. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #26
You just made Cicada's point. former9thward Sep 2017 #34
They are worried they'll have to pay for it either way zipplewrath Sep 2017 #12
that definitely sounds likely, along with the "trap" value others have mentioned of the status quo. JCanete Sep 2017 #20
They'll ultimately bring it to us zipplewrath Sep 2017 #21
It's a way to keep employees JI7 Sep 2017 #13
Because the debate is irrational and their expression constrained by responsibility Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #17
If a near single payer gets going exboyfil Sep 2017 #18
We have a near single payer with the ACA...we won't have a better chance...Germany's universal Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32
Germany is mandatory opt in for those below a certain income exboyfil Sep 2017 #36
We have a mandatory opt in too...just need to make the consequences stronger. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #37
I've got a great idea how to do that! Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #43
It would work for me. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44
Companies that provide healthcare and pay some or all of the premium berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #19
Taxes. They absolutely can not pay one percent more than 0. (which is what they currently pay due to octoberlib Sep 2017 #24
I wonder this myself Dem2 Sep 2017 #27
Employee health insurance is a wage slavery trigger Not Ruth Sep 2017 #28
Because benefits, like salaries, are competitive. GreenEyedLefty Sep 2017 #30
Not these days...the anyone is replaceable is the meme...and the older you get the worse it is. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #33
Good question. It would also solve the problem for those churches tanyev Sep 2017 #35
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