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Ninsianna

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15. To be clear, removing what people have right now, by failing to stop the GOP

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:29 AM

Sep 2017

from repealing, would be removing the ACA and creating millions upon millions of MORE people who don't have any sort of coverage.

My point stands: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/the-rate-of-uninsured-americans-hits-a-record-low-as-obamacares-future-remains-a-question-mark.html

Backing a plan that won't make it out of committee and wouldn't go into effect for years would do nothing at all to help those millions, that's why only backing Bernie is a purity thing that only the privileged who don't really care about people suffering NOW would do.

Pick up a phone and stop pooping on the only thing that millions upon millions of people have now. Many of whom didn't have anything before, stop letting the good be the enemy of the perfect. (Which medicare for all is not by any stretch of the imagine is not either.)

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General lack of concern over the latest GOP ACA senate repeal [View all] brokephibroke Sep 2017 OP

I'm supporting Bernie's Medicare for All bill. ZX86 Sep 2017 #1

Raising the alarm brokephibroke Sep 2017 #3

will that stop them from killing the ACA now? nini Sep 2017 #5

I'm laser focused on single payer Medicare for All. ZX86 Sep 2017 #7

Actually the uninsured rate is down to a historic low, and millions Ninsianna Sep 2017 #11

To be clear the ACA is what millions upon millions of people don't have NOW. ZX86 Sep 2017 #14

To be clear, removing what people have right now, by failing to stop the GOP Ninsianna Sep 2017 #15

Reducing millions upon millions of Americans sick and dying right now ZX86 Sep 2017 #19

Actually ignoring millions upon millions of sick and dying Americans who are Ninsianna Sep 2017 #22

Ah, yes. The old, "Sacrifice the well being of millions who benefit from the current plan Squinch Sep 2017 #34

They think if the do this ...that the people will rise up...and the single payer revolution Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Pretty damn entitled, and/or the motivation is simply to get the ACA repealed. Squinch Sep 2017 #106

I can think of no other explanation for putting out this bill at this moment. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #108

Well that is not true..and nothing is certainly not better. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #67

The ACA is more likely to help now that a new plan that will take a lot of time nini Sep 2017 #12

Then you're shooting that laser at your own head. pnwmom Sep 2017 #18

Medicaid would be block granted under this bill. And money taken from sates that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

My daughter won't live for Medicare for All. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #24

The ACA saved my daughter's life too. I am so angry with those who thought a single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #73

It won't happen...maybe ever. And if the ACA goes the only vehicle that could have made it possible Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #42

It's hard to understand the illogic WhiteTara Sep 2017 #80

I know it. You don't know what you have until you lose it. If this bill passes we lose Medicaid Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #93

It seems impossible to reach beyond that ignorance WhiteTara Sep 2017 #99

I have no idea how ideology trumps living breathing people. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #101

Your heart has to be very hard. nt WhiteTara Sep 2017 #104

Nothing is what you will get. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Please explain how sitting back and allowing the GOP to repeal the ACA Tanuki Sep 2017 #65

Are you in Congress? WhiteTara Sep 2017 #79

What are you doing to get Medicare for all passed? yardwork Sep 2017 #91

It is impossible to pass Medicare for all at the moment...a better question is who is trying to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #102

I know that. That's why I'm asking the poster what they're doing. yardwork Sep 2017 #103

How's that helping to fight the GOP who are working to take away the ACA Ninsianna Sep 2017 #10

Yep...these folks don't seem to care. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43

That's what they want -- for us to be distracted with Bernie's bill while they kill the ACA. pnwmom Sep 2017 #17

Off they go ucrdem Sep 2017 #20

Dumbest thing on the internet. moda253 Sep 2017 #82

Yes we had this same "conversation" in 2015-16. ucrdem Sep 2017 #97

Fighting to save the ACA is unrealistic. ZX86 Sep 2017 #21

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? The person who is "laser focused" on single payer says fighting to save pnwmom Sep 2017 #23

The ACA is here, now. We need one or two votes - at most - Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #25

If fighting was unrealistic then we would Doreen Sep 2017 #31

Wow. Squinch Sep 2017 #35

Unlike single payer even red state voters like the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

Did you mean to say ACA? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #70

Because of what happened in 2016, Medicare for all is off the table for at least four still_one Sep 2017 #44

If the ACA goes down Sen. Sanders and maybe even some Dems who supported the single payer bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

I won't go that far. What I will say though is it has the potential to distract people from calling still_one Sep 2017 #54

I will be calling and calling...but it was McCain who saved us last time...and he is voting for the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

Hopefully, most of us will follow your lead and call our Senators to prevent the ACA from being still_one Sep 2017 #68

The DC number has been posted..but bribery is involved... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75

There is also a real possibility that the medical organizaions are going to be lobbying very hard still_one Sep 2017 #89

I am sure they will but, don't know how effective it will be...consider we won by one Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #92

Good to make a phone call! Gov keeps track of phone calls and calls make a HUGE difference. Sunlei Sep 2017 #71

I agree...we don't know how many would have vote against the bill last time since McCain Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #74

I see...support a bill that can't pass while thousands lose their healthcare when the only Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #56

This LyndaG Sep 2017 #100

That won't pass and will be vetoed if it does WhiteTara Sep 2017 #78

Put it on hold for now. lastlib Sep 2017 #86

We talked about it in Dianne Feinstein's office when our Indivisible group held our meeting there calimary Sep 2017 #2

I have posted it over 5 times on DU since Tues night. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #4

Yeah sneaky is what they do best. ucrdem Sep 2017 #6

Thank you for doing the actual damned work to fight the GOP and help Ninsianna Sep 2017 #9

Thank you for all your hard work! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #33

I didn't see your posts. Hubs is looking for a job and we have been in and out. But I heard it Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

Sen. and Sanders and the Democrats should have advanced a bill to save the ACA. I hope we can save. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

It's not a lack of concern, it's just distraction with another bill which has Ninsianna Sep 2017 #8

We need to recognize killing the ACA is political suicide for these heartless jackals Hulk Sep 2017 #13

You can't kill the undead. ucrdem Sep 2017 #16

Nobody is accepting defeat of the ACA to gain control of the Senate Hulk Sep 2017 #32

That is completely heartless and probably won't work. And even if we got the Senate without Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

Thanks so much for being willing to sacrifice my daughter for political gain. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #26

Like that's at all what I said. Hulk Sep 2017 #30

Now we see who they are....and I have to say it is an abomination. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

Yep...and we must fight. They came within one vote last. And word is they have the votes. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #52

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #76

And the media is COMPLETELY ignoring it. CousinIT Sep 2017 #27

It was on Chris Hayes show yesterday... Portman is my guy, and he promised not to support it last Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #53

ACA soaks a lot of well-to-do single ppl clu Sep 2017 #28

Quite the crock of rancid shit right there. Squinch Sep 2017 #36

may be a bit a conclusion to jump on clu Sep 2017 #50

I am sure'nothing' will be so much better if you are young and entitled probably with workplace Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66

Could you say that again, but make it make sense this time? Squinch Sep 2017 #105

It is vulnerable because enough self-identifed progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Sep 2017 #38

sorry noam i love ya clu Sep 2017 #51

Bullshit. Those folks who call themselves progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Sep 2017 #64

Such folks cost us the courts and it appears we may also lose Medicaid and the ACA... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #72

No it doesn't soak anyone- don't get insurance and pay the fine if "well to do" & feel soaked! Sunlei Sep 2017 #40

Nonsense...all those who thought it was a good idea to put forth single payer which Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

Poor dears... I am so sad for them...her is hoping some get a pre-existing and find out what Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Thanks for keeping people aware of that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29

I wonder how many will die if the ACA goes down...and if all the talk had been about saving Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #83

I support the ACA. Playing chicken with people's healthcare is sickening to me. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #37

It makes me sick too. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

re enrollment is in 2 months. doubt Insurance Corps will allow Rs to do anything to Subsidies.$$$$$ Sunlei Sep 2017 #39

I would not count on that...the bill will be completely repealed. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61

never trust a 'party' Republican. They usually get what they want eventually. Sunlei Sep 2017 #69

Yes, but the great irony is that in this case we kind of helped them by the single payer stuff...so Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #85

The repeal is still behind closed doors being crafted at this point. crosinski Sep 2017 #84

Some of it has been leaked. They will block grant medicaid. which means Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #87

Let's NAIL that door SHUT!! lastlib Sep 2017 #90

Damn right...going to Cleveland next week to protest at Portman's office. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #95

I like the way you think! crosinski Sep 2017 #107

again...text RESIST to 50409 to send a free fax to your.... samnsara Sep 2017 #88

Done!!! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96

Thanks for that brokephibroke Sep 2017 #98