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Ken Burch

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18. Nobody's shielding Bernie. It's fine to criticize the guy or say he shouldn't run again.

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 04:25 PM

Sep 2017

It's just that there's no reason to be treating him as an opponent.

And there's no reason to keep the Bernie v. Hillary dynamic going anymore-there's room for both of them and there's room for all their supporters. We can't win without all their supporters.

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Fact: Sanders has been in the Senate nine years and has sponsored only one bill that pass. [View all] factfinder_77 Sep 2017 OP

fact, democratic socialism not popular in a capitalistic system where the government is heavily JCanete Sep 2017 #1

Are you saying that democrats in the senate are corrupted by lobbyists? boston bean Sep 2017 #2

no, I'm saying our system is, and it bears repeating, just because a person's beliefs might be JCanete Sep 2017 #87

The way to make the system work is to vote Cary Sep 2017 #143

on an individual level that works fine. If you are one of the lucky or crazy ones who has put time JCanete Sep 2017 #168

You are one voice out of about 110 million Cary Sep 2017 #171

Yes, I know very much how much I count into the whole equation. If you think rich people JCanete Sep 2017 #173

That wasn't my point Cary Sep 2017 #174

Are you saying they're not? ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #163

Fact: Sanders worked behind the scenes getting bills onit2day Sep 2017 #47

yep the attacks never seem to end questionseverything Sep 2017 #51

Indeed, why are so many people busy attacking the Democratic party anyway? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #113

That is a fact? Can you provide sources? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #52

sanders senate voted honey bucket Sep 2017 #61

... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #71

Sanders co-sponsored the bill to dump the nuclear waste on Sierra Blanca lunamagica Sep 2017 #93

The GOP piggybacked legislation onto the bill CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #138

Again, purity tests. No bill is perfect, compromises are made. If only "perfect" bills lunamagica Sep 2017 #147

Your post is misleading - There was added GOP legistation piggybacked onto some of these bills womanofthehills Sep 2017 #94

Oh. that "purity" thing again...bill must be perfect... no room for compromise lunamagica Sep 2017 #109

sometimes people are actually wrong. I'm sure that Sanders is wrong sometimes, or even if not JCanete Sep 2017 #136

And what's the annswer on the Amber Alert bill? lunamagica Sep 2017 #175

Interesting. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #104

And every single one of those has an explination CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #137

Namely? George II Sep 2017 #68

Are you really saying fellow DUers have "twisted minds"? George II Sep 2017 #75

"Twisted minds" Cary Sep 2017 #144

What does that have to do with the OP? George II Sep 2017 #67

what is the op's point? nt JCanete Sep 2017 #79

Barack was another overachiever whose considerable accomplishments were trashed here daily, ucrdem Sep 2017 #3

++++++++Yes to everything you said. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #8

Nobody's shielding Bernie. It's fine to criticize the guy or say he shouldn't run again. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #18

If we lose the ACA I will blame the single payer bill partly and it will be very difficult to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Not to mention if we dont win seats in 2018 because of a litmus test Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #53

Very true...Eliiot. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #86

To those people: Sometimes voting AGAINST the Republican IS a perfectly fine reason. n/t Beartracks Sep 2017 #156

It all comes down to how the 2 party system works, MANY are still unclear Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #157

It's a DISTRACTION for lawmakers and a DISTRACTION for the public who... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #161

The classic was Obama being called "a second rate used car salesman" (maybe not exact words).... George II Sep 2017 #78

I remember that...I lurked then and the guy that did it is some sort of writer...awful. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Awful. Cary Sep 2017 #146

That! haveahart Sep 2017 #101

I often wonder what that's about Cary Sep 2017 #145

She isn't running for anything; and at this point isn't even in government. Agschmid Sep 2017 #4

Defeating the TPP was not a good cause. ucrdem Sep 2017 #5

Thanks for pointing out that bandwagon topics aren't always accurately R B Garr Sep 2017 #7

That's a great point. lapucelle Sep 2017 #108

Yes, I always thought that the TPP was used as a backdoor way to attack R B Garr Sep 2017 #121

Democrats needed every vote they could get in Congress back in 1993 lapucelle Sep 2017 #124

It was embraced by Trump only after we didn't embrace it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #16

Opposing fair trade is reactionary and there was nothing remotely progressive about it. ucrdem Sep 2017 #49

Nobody is opposed to "fair trade"-TPP wasn't fair trade-it was "free trade" Ken Burch Sep 2017 #77

It was never a "free trade" agreement. It was a 12-nation regulatory framework ucrdem Sep 2017 #84

Only people who read the agreement would know that...just sayin' haveahart Sep 2017 #102

Thank you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21

It is not a good cause if we lose the ACA...because we have a snowball's change in hell Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

Yes DeeDeeNY Sep 2017 #50

+1. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #72

Voting no on the Amber Alert, no on gun control, no on immigration reform, co-sponsor on a bill to lunamagica Sep 2017 #98

Nobody is perfect, and for the most part those a talking points of Bernie haters. Agschmid Sep 2017 #110

What is your point ? kacekwl Sep 2017 #6

Sanders has little experience in creating legislation that will pass. factfinder_77 Sep 2017 #11

OK...so find new wonks to flesh out the dreams. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #23

Nice try, but this isn't about Clinton and she wasn't mentioned. R B Garr Sep 2017 #25

The OP and follow-up posts by the OP were a Sanders/Clinton comparison Ken Burch Sep 2017 #35

When you read the whole OP, it's about his legislative record and how his R B Garr Sep 2017 #42

Then there was no reason to reference HRC's legislative record Ken Burch Sep 2017 #44

HRC is a good Democrat, so it certainly isn't a bad thing to reference her R B Garr Sep 2017 #92

My point is, we need to get out of the Hillary v. Bernie thing. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #134

You should take you own advice about the so-called "Hillary v. Bernie thing." R B Garr Sep 2017 #141

My main concern is NOT about Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #150

Your entire post here is about supporting Bernie, his supporters, his campaign R B Garr Sep 2017 #155

We can't ask his supporters to vote for our ticket if we anathemize all their ideas Ken Burch Sep 2017 #159

More diversions. There were many of "their ideas" added to Clinton's platform. R B Garr Sep 2017 #160

No it isn't. And the addition of those policies to our platform is my starting point. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #165

It just comes across as pointless divisiveness to continue R B Garr Sep 2017 #166

Most Democrats agree with Bernie's economic ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #167

This isn't even reality, though. If you go by election results, most Democrats R B Garr Sep 2017 #169

Obviously some people with good jobs and economic stability still act in racist ways. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #170

A lot of words, but no real point. I guess that brings us back to the start of the thread, R B Garr Sep 2017 #172

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #119

That's all you got?? What is this thread about? R B Garr Sep 2017 #120

You claimed it wasn't about Clinton, Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #125

You are making this more about Clinton than the OP. The OP is about legislative R B Garr Sep 2017 #128

Regardless of what you are invested in believing mythology Sep 2017 #133

It makes no difference it won't pass without a super majority and how often have we had those? It Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

So Teddy Kennedy should never have introduced any of his healthcare bills? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #37

I go to church with a girl who worked for Ted Kennedy in his later years... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #115

Therefore no single payer for us! zentrum Sep 2017 #9

If the ACA fails, we have lost any chance at single payer. You have to fight smart in a way that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

Fighting smart doesn't mean not talking about anything at all other than keeping the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38

Right now it is the only thing... single payer was introduced the same time that Graham's bill was Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #54

There should have been an ACA repair bill-but it wasn't Bernie's responsibilityt to introduce it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #74

You have your opinion,and I have mine...the single payer bill will go nowhere. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

And they've proved that they are fighitng for the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82

I see no such proof. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #90

Vice Chair of the DNC itself. zentrum Sep 2017 #106

I have not seen any fighting...and let me say I disagree...no matter how you cut it... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #112

You aren't going to get it this time with the government in GOP hands...better to have fought for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #116

A conversation once again G_j Sep 2017 #10

Go ahead... mudstump Sep 2017 #12

I am a Democrat and a liberal. murielm99 Sep 2017 #19

The threats don't work any more because we lost the courts, DACA, and now Medicaid/ the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30

It's Comey's and Putin's fault that that happened-stop blaming the left. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #39

That is not true...certainly those you mention were to blame, but there were enough for Hillary Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #73

Again that is a matter of opinion. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

And they are, so there's no argument here. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #85

Why do you keep making this about the primaries?? It's about Bernie's legislative R B Garr Sep 2017 #96

Progressive seats? Do you mean if people keep criticizing Bernie Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #57

The primaries are over. It's not Hillary vs. Bernie anymore. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13

LOL. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #15

What's to laugh at? I don't want Bernie to run again. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #17

Because the OP was not about what you said. It's not about the primary. R B Garr Sep 2017 #20

The linked article is from the primaries. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29

No it's not about that. You should take your own advice about 2016. R B Garr Sep 2017 #31

I always do. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #40

It's refighting the primaries -nt Bradical79 Sep 2017 #97

Comparing and contrasting Bernie's legislative record is not about R B Garr Sep 2017 #99

Yes it is Bradical79 Sep 2017 #103

Ironically, some other articles about his record might not be permitted here.... R B Garr Sep 2017 #107

The OP is an attack (OK - criticism) on Sanders by comparing something he did pangaia Sep 2017 #43

It is not an attack to discuss and compare records. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

hummmmm pangaia Sep 2017 #60

This is done all the time, and then they alert on it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

True, I've noticed that the same false accusations fly if the focus R B Garr Sep 2017 #95

Yes....you have to wonder what motivates someone to introduce a bill that basically says the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

Agreed. The look on Graham's face was pretty snide and evil and he called R B Garr Sep 2017 #123

I am really ticked about single payer being advance instead of a bill fixing the ACA...I really am Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

You're right. And it was those who preferred the ACA to single-payer Ken Burch Sep 2017 #41

There it is...'those who preferred the ACA'...this is not a choice between single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

And they all are fighting to save it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #70

What has been done and by whom? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #83

Everyone in the Senate Democratic Congress has been part of the continuing battle to save ACA. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #135

Name something specific because I have barely heard the ACA mentioned. I have heard talk only Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #139

Can you give me a specific example? All I hear is generalities...I have watch politics and read Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140

He's currently promoting his own bill with no mention of the ACA: ucrdem Sep 2017 #158

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance sheshe2 Sep 2017 #65

1) That's an article FROM THE PRIMARIES, so you're refighting Ken Burch Sep 2017 #14

Has sanders had more thug majorities than HRC? Honest question. Lucky Luciano Sep 2017 #22

Nope and this one is particularly bad...in terms of timing. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #34

No. lapucelle Sep 2017 #111

Seems like something that a russian/gop would come up with to distract rockfordfile Sep 2017 #33

I think s/he was commenting on how effective WhiteTara Sep 2017 #131

Do you have any idea what senators actually do? pangaia Sep 2017 #36

I sincerely wish I saw any evidence that he has supported the ACA at this critical time. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64

Bullshit. Bernie has been one of the staunchest defenders of the ACA riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #148

From today: Sanders says saving the ACA is the first priority Arazi Sep 2017 #149

He says no such thing. ucrdem Sep 2017 #152

Yup. It does. The current R bill he's referencing is Graham Cassidy Arazi Sep 2017 #153

Nowhere does he mention the ACA in today's feed. It's all about his own MFA bill: ucrdem Sep 2017 #154

He's a non-Democrat who gets support outside of his state by promising things he can't deliver NightWatcher Sep 2017 #45

If he's just staying in the Senate, it no longer matters whether he formally joins the Dems. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #48

If we lose the ACA who do you think will be blamed aside from the GOP of course. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66

You don't need to persuade me about the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69

But, Ken, he's "not a Democrat." pangaia Sep 2017 #122

Interesting. However, it's not very promising or encouraging for... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #46

so fucking what? Cobalt Violet Sep 2017 #56

I've been a member of DU for over 16 years. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #62

This dflprincess Sep 2017 #132

He sure sucks. snort Sep 2017 #76

Oh, that's it! Now I'm mad! When's the primary? Iggo Sep 2017 #88

OP has interesting point, but obscured by Refighting the Primary (anti-Sanders) frame philly_bob Sep 2017 #91

Nice try...sure there was an alert but it is still here. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #118

I remember this article from the Primary Wars era. Nice of you to dredge it up. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #100

K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #105

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #114

Stuff like this is why Republicans are going to win CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #126

... LexVegas Sep 2017 #127

It is doing just as I said CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #129

Shush. WhiteTara Sep 2017 #130

This post helps Russia ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #142

Checked calendar. Primaries AND General Election were LAST year. Confused. Beartracks Sep 2017 #151

I propose a separate forum for all attacks on Bernie left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #162

So? That doesn't mean the bills he sponsored were wrong. ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #164

He's an idealist. He doesn't really get things done. PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #176