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89. No doubt they will keep trying but putting out this bill which indicates that the ACA just

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:46 PM

Sep 2017

isn't good enough even for Democrats at a critical time in our fight to keep healthcare is a bad move. If we can get to 18, they will have a more difficult time with repeal because it is an election year...and if we win the House...we keep healthcare...the single payer bill hurts our chances both of keeping healthcare and winning the house in my opinion. It just does...the timing was awful. And I have respected TOS and made no inflammatory remarks about any Democrat or person who is an ally of Democrats. I am discussing saving the ACA...and lives. I am against the single payer bill at this time,because it cannot pass...and believe the best way to get universal coverage is adding a public option and lowering the medicaid age to 55...when we have the power to do so...we have no power at the moment.

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Republicans make new push to repeal Obamacare...this is really awful. [View all] Demsrule86 Sep 2017 OP

How have the previous efforts fared? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #1

They have some enticements this time. leftofcool Sep 2017 #3

We won by one vote...and McCain say he will vote for his pal Linsey's bill...Many warned that now Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #4

I hear they have the votes this time too. leftofcool Sep 2017 #2

I am hearing the same thing...and they have screwed blue states...all those folks who said this Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #5

Cutting the money from blue states to pay for red states. Punishing any state that haveahart Sep 2017 #69

I am agreeing with you ...we need to fight this...Medicaid gone too. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

there is 8 senate days and 4 house days left in month of calendar, bill need to be scored MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #6

There will be no conference...it will be scored and the parlimentarian will rule...but Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #8

I doubt a bill can be passed without changes in Senate and House (especially)... maybe wishful MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #10

They said on MSNBC that Senators are being bribed with blue state Medicaid money. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #11

OK I hope you are wrong ... MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #12

Me too...but McCain has said he is on board...and the others are getting bribed...we will have to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #14

what the HELL renate Sep 2017 #7

Why was a single payer bill introduced at this critical time? What was the point when it could not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #9

Exactly LyndaG Sep 2017 #13

This is what Nancy Pelosi said when she wasn't thrilled about pushing BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #16

I agreed with her completely. She is a wise one. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

Agree 1000%. Simply put, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #42

Yes indeed. I cannot understand why Sen. Sander believed this was a good time to put this bill out Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Definitely not helpful ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #75

No it wasn't. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Amen. Sometimes I wonder . . . nevermind. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #79

I wonder the same thing...there are some who really believe there is a chance of single payer. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #85

And Amen, again. It took forever to get ACA, we're currently in the minortyso how in ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #101

I agree. We need to be on the same page to stop the GOP...they got an opening with the single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #114

I know it's illogical and actually something that can't be blamed on Trump. We need to be smarter ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #120

We all have different viewpoints as you say. We need a realistic plan ...what can we get now? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #125

Absolutely. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #126

Yup. Why did Bernie Sanders choose to suck up all the oxygen in the healthcare room pnwmom Sep 2017 #50

I don't know...I feel like calling his office and asking if he supports the ACA ...I may do that. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #54

I posted this in several different forums since Tues night after I was BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #15

How is this bill different than the last ? kacekwl Sep 2017 #17

Lindsey Graham helped write it.. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

I love the idea of Medicare for All. But as Pelosi said, Saving ACA MUST be Priority #1 CousinIT Sep 2017 #18

And Sanders is unifi with all the democrtats in opposing any effort to repeal obamacare. What's the JCanete Sep 2017 #19

Talk is cheap. The single payer bill should never have been introduced...where is the bill that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

but you don't have logic for that conclusion, or at least you aren't sharing it. I have no idea how JCanete Sep 2017 #41

If we lose the ACA...I doubt others will agree that it was good timing. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

but no actual argument for how this damages the ACA or prevents us from doing our best to protect it JCanete Sep 2017 #63

Every minute that is spent on single payer which won't happen is a minute that could have Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66

Lindsey Graham wants to show the Republicans what a great leader he is. kentuck Sep 2017 #21

I don't know , but if we lose the ACA, I believe we lose any chance of health care for at least a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Look at this way. kentuck Sep 2017 #27

No they don't. They have a gerrymander which will probably hold...and there is new voter suppression Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29

I agree with most of your post. kentuck Sep 2017 #33

If the ACA did fall, that would be the perfect time to talk single payer Kentonio Sep 2017 #25

I agree with this more than I agree with the argument that killing the ACA dooms single-payer Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #28

No that is not what is happening... The GOP are betting that with the gerrymander and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

If a coup is the real problem Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #35

Wrong...saving the ACA is a priority as real people will die...and this bill also destroys medicaid. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38

Suffice it to say I haven't been optimistic about the ACA since last November. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #52

Suffice it to say...that if the ACA goes down...putting out single payer and sucking all the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Stop with the Bernie hate Motownman78 Sep 2017 #86

No doubt they will keep trying but putting out this bill which indicates that the ACA just Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Forget the philosophical argument about what "dooms" what. If the ACA is repealed, thinking that still_one Sep 2017 #36

Not to put too fine a point on it Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #49

Right...the single payer bill is meaningless ...I don't agree and there will be hell to pay if the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

Hahaha...yeah more talk while people die. The GOP are determined to kill healthcare period. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30

If the ACA fails, healthcare reform will be lost for a generation. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #26

The last time was in the 90's. It breaks my heart to think we had it and let it slip away for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #31

or longer still_one Sep 2017 #37

It is true. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

Kick dalton99a Sep 2017 #34

Thanks. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #39

The repubs were going to try to repeal before end of month, regardless of the single payer vote. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #40

None of what you said is on point...Single payer will go nowhere and i is a distraction Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43

Your just spouting your opinion & my opinion's as valid as yours. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2017 #47

We shall see if this time with the ACA if they manage to repeal it...while our people were Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

Because people can't walk & chew gum at the same time. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #68

Apparently it doesn't work because I have not heard one word from Sen. Sander are even Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

The HRC wing of the party will blame Bernie if the GOP repeals the ACA. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #131

So freakin obvious...eeeeiiii pangaia Sep 2017 #102

Why haven't the Dems put out their own bill to fix or protect the ACA? Autumn Sep 2017 #70

Come on. Let's not kid a kidder...the Dem presidential hopefuls signed on too...rahrah Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

The Graham bill is on the GOP. They have been attempting to destroy the ACA since day one, Autumn Sep 2017 #87

Oh, so if the ACA goes away why it would have happened anyway. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

The GOP was working this bill of theirs before Medicare for All was announced, Autumn Sep 2017 #90

That is correct...don't you think it would have been better to work on saving the only health carew Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #94

If it's at all possible the ACA will be saved. The GOP has been after it since day one and you Autumn Sep 2017 #98

Yep, it's "Senator Sander." klook Sep 2017 #104

We got the same arguments from the same quarter in 2015. ucrdem Sep 2017 #106

It is a TERRIBLE MOVE.The attention to Bernie's plan is a DISTRACTION from the GOP's stealth attack pnwmom Sep 2017 #51

Are you so distracted that you won't remember to contact your Senators and Reps before the GOP Autumn Sep 2017 #71

I have been calling. But I've talked to people here who claimed that single payer pnwmom Sep 2017 #73

I haven't seen those posts but if I did I would tell them that they are very shortsighted. Autumn Sep 2017 #74

Too late...I fear. We put out nothing to stop them from repealing the ACA...not even talking points- Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Most of us can focus on more than one thing at a time. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #72

Really I see no evidence of that in this situation. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #82

What we have to ask ourselves now is what bills can the Dems put up and pass to prevent this? Autumn Sep 2017 #48

A bill to fix the ACA and pull the god damn single payer bill for now. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

You think McConnell and Ryan will allow a bill to fix the ACA to be brought up for vote? Autumn Sep 2017 #60

Will they allow single payer to be brought up for a vote?...but we can talk about ...all the talk Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

If we can't do a bill to protect the ACA what's the harm in discussing Medicare for all? Autumn Sep 2017 #64

You could be talking about how to fix the ACA and the GOP will use it as evidence that the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #65

Are you really saying that the Dem leadership can't talk or put up a bill fixing the ACA Autumn Sep 2017 #67

No...the single payer bill will used as evidence that that the ACA is unfixable...of course, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96

The GOP has said the ACA is unfixable since day fucking one, you are using a GOP Autumn Sep 2017 #99

It's the timing that's deadly. Why couldn't it wait 2 weeks? ucrdem Sep 2017 #109

Of course Autumn Sep 2017 #130

In what universe would the GOP of 2017 be on board with fixing the ACA? klook Sep 2017 #105

It gives the GOP a chance to say even Democrats don't like the ACA...come on. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #83

Oh no!! The GOP will lie about the ACA??? Autumn Sep 2017 #91

What does a "fix" even look like? TCJ70 Sep 2017 #121

That's for sure. But whatever it is or it isn't it's Bernie's fault. Autumn Sep 2017 #128

"The probably is who started the discussion". Exactly. TCJ70 Sep 2017 #129

How many times do I have to remind people , they will NEVER stop Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #53

Now those who put up a single payer bill instead of fixing the ACA will say the ACA never had a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61

Republicans never give up. FloridaBlues Sep 2017 #56

It is completely unimportant except as the weapon it will become in the coming elections...as the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #84

as of right now, they only need one more vote. This is serious! Here's a link to a site to quickly riversedge Sep 2017 #92

Thanks so much...let make this a post in and keep it going...we only have one shot. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #93

Make it a separate post. It is our last shoot. riversedge Sep 2017 #95

It is true. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #115

This hasn't been scored yet. That could be a killer. crosinski Sep 2017 #103

They say the only need one vote and by stealing blue medicaid money...they can bribe this person. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #116

If they repeal it without a replacement, there will be a political price to pay. kentuck Sep 2017 #97

I am not sure that will happen. They will work to convince people that there was no saving the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

It's always been when...not if Awsi Dooger Sep 2017 #100

You can say that...but those who started the single payer stuff will be held accountable. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #118

This is 2016 all over again. ucrdem Sep 2017 #107

Big smile on Trump's face while signing Graham's ACA killer. nt oasis Sep 2017 #108

Reminds me of when I tried to walk AND chew gum at the same time Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #110

I don't think you put a bill and say it's the best thing since sliced bread while supporting a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #119

No, it's about the talents of our representatives in Congress Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #127

Elsewhere, GOP strategists planning to run against single payer, so is ACA repeal less likely? andym Sep 2017 #111

No, they will destroy the ACA if they get the votes...one away...I hear. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #122

now is the perfect time to talk abotu single player DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #112

Oh sure...the perfect time ...so we can lose the ACA and medicaid as well for something we can't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #123

we can and should do BOTH DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #132

K&R R B Garr Sep 2017 #113

Thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #124