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Republicans make new push to repeal Obamacare...this is really awful. [View all] Demsrule86 Sep 2017 OP

How have the previous efforts fared? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #1

They have some enticements this time. leftofcool Sep 2017 #3

We won by one vote...and McCain say he will vote for his pal Linsey's bill...Many warned that now Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #4

I hear they have the votes this time too. leftofcool Sep 2017 #2

I am hearing the same thing...and they have screwed blue states...all those folks who said this Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #5

Cutting the money from blue states to pay for red states. Punishing any state that haveahart Sep 2017 #69

I am agreeing with you ...we need to fight this...Medicaid gone too. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

there is 8 senate days and 4 house days left in month of calendar, bill need to be scored MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #6

There will be no conference...it will be scored and the parlimentarian will rule...but Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #8

I doubt a bill can be passed without changes in Senate and House (especially)... maybe wishful MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #10

They said on MSNBC that Senators are being bribed with blue state Medicaid money. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #11

OK I hope you are wrong ... MyNameIsKhan Sep 2017 #12

Me too...but McCain has said he is on board...and the others are getting bribed...we will have to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #14

what the HELL renate Sep 2017 #7

Why was a single payer bill introduced at this critical time? What was the point when it could not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #9

Exactly LyndaG Sep 2017 #13

This is what Nancy Pelosi said when she wasn't thrilled about pushing BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #16

I agreed with her completely. She is a wise one. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

Agree 1000%. Simply put, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #42

Yes indeed. I cannot understand why Sen. Sander believed this was a good time to put this bill out Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Definitely not helpful ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #75

No it wasn't. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Amen. Sometimes I wonder . . . nevermind. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #79

I wonder the same thing...there are some who really believe there is a chance of single payer. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #85

And Amen, again. It took forever to get ACA, we're currently in the minortyso how in ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #101

I agree. We need to be on the same page to stop the GOP...they got an opening with the single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #114

I know it's illogical and actually something that can't be blamed on Trump. We need to be smarter ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #120

We all have different viewpoints as you say. We need a realistic plan ...what can we get now? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #125

Absolutely. ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #126

Yup. Why did Bernie Sanders choose to suck up all the oxygen in the healthcare room pnwmom Sep 2017 #50

I don't know...I feel like calling his office and asking if he supports the ACA ...I may do that. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #54

I posted this in several different forums since Tues night after I was BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #15

How is this bill different than the last ? kacekwl Sep 2017 #17

Lindsey Graham helped write it.. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

I love the idea of Medicare for All. But as Pelosi said, Saving ACA MUST be Priority #1 CousinIT Sep 2017 #18

And Sanders is unifi with all the democrtats in opposing any effort to repeal obamacare. What's the JCanete Sep 2017 #19

Talk is cheap. The single payer bill should never have been introduced...where is the bill that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

but you don't have logic for that conclusion, or at least you aren't sharing it. I have no idea how JCanete Sep 2017 #41

If we lose the ACA...I doubt others will agree that it was good timing. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

but no actual argument for how this damages the ACA or prevents us from doing our best to protect it JCanete Sep 2017 #63

Every minute that is spent on single payer which won't happen is a minute that could have Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66

Lindsey Graham wants to show the Republicans what a great leader he is. kentuck Sep 2017 #21

I don't know , but if we lose the ACA, I believe we lose any chance of health care for at least a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Look at this way. kentuck Sep 2017 #27

No they don't. They have a gerrymander which will probably hold...and there is new voter suppression Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29

I agree with most of your post. kentuck Sep 2017 #33

If the ACA did fall, that would be the perfect time to talk single payer Kentonio Sep 2017 #25

I agree with this more than I agree with the argument that killing the ACA dooms single-payer Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #28

No that is not what is happening... The GOP are betting that with the gerrymander and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

If a coup is the real problem Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #35

Wrong...saving the ACA is a priority as real people will die...and this bill also destroys medicaid. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38

Suffice it to say I haven't been optimistic about the ACA since last November. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #52

Suffice it to say...that if the ACA goes down...putting out single payer and sucking all the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Stop with the Bernie hate Motownman78 Sep 2017 #86

No doubt they will keep trying but putting out this bill which indicates that the ACA just Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Forget the philosophical argument about what "dooms" what. If the ACA is repealed, thinking that still_one Sep 2017 #36

Not to put too fine a point on it Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #49

Right...the single payer bill is meaningless ...I don't agree and there will be hell to pay if the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

Hahaha...yeah more talk while people die. The GOP are determined to kill healthcare period. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30

If the ACA fails, healthcare reform will be lost for a generation. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #26

The last time was in the 90's. It breaks my heart to think we had it and let it slip away for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #31

or longer still_one Sep 2017 #37

It is true. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

Kick dalton99a Sep 2017 #34

Thanks. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #39

The repubs were going to try to repeal before end of month, regardless of the single payer vote. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #40

None of what you said is on point...Single payer will go nowhere and i is a distraction Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43

Your just spouting your opinion & my opinion's as valid as yours. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2017 #47

We shall see if this time with the ACA if they manage to repeal it...while our people were Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

Because people can't walk & chew gum at the same time. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #68

Apparently it doesn't work because I have not heard one word from Sen. Sander are even Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

The HRC wing of the party will blame Bernie if the GOP repeals the ACA. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #131

So freakin obvious...eeeeiiii pangaia Sep 2017 #102

Why haven't the Dems put out their own bill to fix or protect the ACA? Autumn Sep 2017 #70

Come on. Let's not kid a kidder...the Dem presidential hopefuls signed on too...rahrah Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

The Graham bill is on the GOP. They have been attempting to destroy the ACA since day one, Autumn Sep 2017 #87

Oh, so if the ACA goes away why it would have happened anyway. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

The GOP was working this bill of theirs before Medicare for All was announced, Autumn Sep 2017 #90

That is correct...don't you think it would have been better to work on saving the only health carew Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #94

If it's at all possible the ACA will be saved. The GOP has been after it since day one and you Autumn Sep 2017 #98

Yep, it's "Senator Sander." klook Sep 2017 #104

We got the same arguments from the same quarter in 2015. ucrdem Sep 2017 #106

It is a TERRIBLE MOVE.The attention to Bernie's plan is a DISTRACTION from the GOP's stealth attack pnwmom Sep 2017 #51

Are you so distracted that you won't remember to contact your Senators and Reps before the GOP Autumn Sep 2017 #71

I have been calling. But I've talked to people here who claimed that single payer pnwmom Sep 2017 #73

I haven't seen those posts but if I did I would tell them that they are very shortsighted. Autumn Sep 2017 #74

Too late...I fear. We put out nothing to stop them from repealing the ACA...not even talking points- Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Most of us can focus on more than one thing at a time. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #72

Really I see no evidence of that in this situation. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #82

What we have to ask ourselves now is what bills can the Dems put up and pass to prevent this? Autumn Sep 2017 #48

A bill to fix the ACA and pull the god damn single payer bill for now. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

You think McConnell and Ryan will allow a bill to fix the ACA to be brought up for vote? Autumn Sep 2017 #60

Will they allow single payer to be brought up for a vote?...but we can talk about ...all the talk Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

If we can't do a bill to protect the ACA what's the harm in discussing Medicare for all? Autumn Sep 2017 #64

You could be talking about how to fix the ACA and the GOP will use it as evidence that the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #65

Are you really saying that the Dem leadership can't talk or put up a bill fixing the ACA Autumn Sep 2017 #67

No...the single payer bill will used as evidence that that the ACA is unfixable...of course, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96

The GOP has said the ACA is unfixable since day fucking one, you are using a GOP Autumn Sep 2017 #99

It's the timing that's deadly. Why couldn't it wait 2 weeks? ucrdem Sep 2017 #109

Of course Autumn Sep 2017 #130

In what universe would the GOP of 2017 be on board with fixing the ACA? klook Sep 2017 #105

It gives the GOP a chance to say even Democrats don't like the ACA...come on. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #83

Oh no!! The GOP will lie about the ACA??? Autumn Sep 2017 #91

What does a "fix" even look like? TCJ70 Sep 2017 #121

That's for sure. But whatever it is or it isn't it's Bernie's fault. Autumn Sep 2017 #128

"The probably is who started the discussion". Exactly. TCJ70 Sep 2017 #129

How many times do I have to remind people , they will NEVER stop Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #53

Now those who put up a single payer bill instead of fixing the ACA will say the ACA never had a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61

Republicans never give up. FloridaBlues Sep 2017 #56

It is completely unimportant except as the weapon it will become in the coming elections...as the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #84

as of right now, they only need one more vote. This is serious! Here's a link to a site to quickly riversedge Sep 2017 #92

Thanks so much...let make this a post in and keep it going...we only have one shot. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #93

Make it a separate post. It is our last shoot. riversedge Sep 2017 #95

It is true. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #115

This hasn't been scored yet. That could be a killer. crosinski Sep 2017 #103

They say the only need one vote and by stealing blue medicaid money...they can bribe this person. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #116

If they repeal it without a replacement, there will be a political price to pay. kentuck Sep 2017 #97

I am not sure that will happen. They will work to convince people that there was no saving the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

It's always been when...not if Awsi Dooger Sep 2017 #100

You can say that...but those who started the single payer stuff will be held accountable. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #118

This is 2016 all over again. ucrdem Sep 2017 #107

Big smile on Trump's face while signing Graham's ACA killer. nt oasis Sep 2017 #108

Reminds me of when I tried to walk AND chew gum at the same time Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #110

I don't think you put a bill and say it's the best thing since sliced bread while supporting a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #119

No, it's about the talents of our representatives in Congress Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #127

Elsewhere, GOP strategists planning to run against single payer, so is ACA repeal less likely? andym Sep 2017 #111

No, they will destroy the ACA if they get the votes...one away...I hear. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #122

now is the perfect time to talk abotu single player DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #112

Oh sure...the perfect time ...so we can lose the ACA and medicaid as well for something we can't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #123

we can and should do BOTH DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #132

K&R R B Garr Sep 2017 #113

Thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #124