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RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
6. I have a MAJOR problem with this
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:43 AM
Sep 2017

The whole thing is quite good and I mostly agree.

The big problem I have is with this sentence, and I would ask you to share my concern with your friend and for everyone here at DU (and everyone everywhere, actually) to stop thinking it's true (aside from the stupid Electoral College):

But there was no way that an America that has shaped its identity around rejecting her was ever going to allow her to lead it.


First, SHE WON! She effing WON!

Second, yes, there was massive sexism and it cost her votes. BUT there were other problems that prevented the full win she'd have had that had nothing to do with sexism:

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691


And this:

Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:

Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/


My intention isn't to diminish the terrible scourge sexism still is -- but we will NEVER fix the problems that actually caused her "loss" (70,000 highly targeted votes in 3 key states) if we distract ourselves with the wrong "causes."

Yes, sexism was a factor, a big one. No, it wasn't THE determining reason for her loss.

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GOP org spent half a billion to defame her sharedvalues Sep 2017 #1
I wish Hillary would, now that she's no longer a candidate, follow FDR's example Glorfindel Sep 2017 #2
As a white man genxlib Sep 2017 #3
Thanks for posting this, Weekend Warrior. Definitely worth the read! Glorfindel Sep 2017 #4
Old white guy here. Very well done! nt Atticus Sep 2017 #5
I have a MAJOR problem with this RandomAccess Sep 2017 #6
The fact of the matter was that...... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2017 #17
With all due respect RandomAccess Sep 2017 #19
Even with the Russia meddling...... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2017 #21
Totally agree on voting machines and paper ballots RandomAccess Sep 2017 #22
But let me ask you this: if it were Joe Biden or Marco Rubio who was cheated out of Squinch Sep 2017 #26
That's a good point RandomAccess Sep 2017 #32
She beat Obama with white women. They rejected him for both McCain and Romney ehrnst Sep 2017 #37
I have no interest in sharing your "MAJOR issue". Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #28
So glad you shared that with me. RandomAccess Sep 2017 #33
I'm not sure how you think a nerve was struck. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #34
You felt strongly enough to comment on why you "thought it wasn't worth the dime." ehrnst Sep 2017 #38
Oh, I dunno RandomAccess Sep 2017 #43
Thanks for your "major issue" post lostnfound Sep 2017 #41
Thanks RandomAccess Sep 2017 #42
Here's something else of interest -- RandomAccess Sep 2017 #44
let me, as a woman, say this......... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2017 #7
We can thank Russia Scarsdale Sep 2017 #11
Thank you for explaining to me how my brain works. JayhawkSD Sep 2017 #8
Um, first of all, this was not written by the OP. Secondly the person who did smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #10
Kind of interesting, Scarsdale Sep 2017 #13
+ a million! BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #36
Lol, are you saying you hate Hillary? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #16
You are very welcome. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #29
K & R ......very good read... Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #9
K&R! Wish I could rec this 100 times. highplainsdem Sep 2017 #12
This is pretty brilliant. volstork Sep 2017 #14
The Deep Lack of Respect for Women in America is, Unfortunately, Part of our Cultural DNA dlk Sep 2017 #15
They'd hate Eleanor Roosevelt too...... Historic NY Sep 2017 #18
Excellent, insightful piece. yardwork Sep 2017 #20
Most popular sitting official that got smeared by the RW cult for 25 years. ffr Sep 2017 #23
It really is impressive that she had the race won--decisively--before Comey intervened to rig it. StevieM Sep 2017 #24
"There are people of voting age who grew up in a culture that hates Hillary Clinton...they're like Nitram Sep 2017 #25
Excellent, I am with her. MLAA Sep 2017 #27
One thing I have learned in the last 3 national election cycles jimlup Sep 2017 #30
You are right. This was definitely worth the read! R B Garr Sep 2017 #31
Your friend is brilliant. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #35
Has your friend made a public post? Because if she has, pnwmom Sep 2017 #39
Hillary the Winner madokie Sep 2017 #40
Outstanding-thanks for sharing. And the RW media attacks continue bdjhawk Sep 2017 #45
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