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Ken Burch

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167. Most Democrats agree with Bernie's economic ideas.

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:34 PM

Sep 2017

It doesn't undermine Democrats for us to recognize that social democracy is party of our future.

The only way we can defeat sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, lslamophobia and any other related phobias is to return to the levels of job security and economic stability that we had in the mid-Sixties.

A society in which even the hardest-working people go to be every night knowing they could be put out of work at any time and have to travel the country simply to find some way to survive on a day-to-day basis can't be a society free of prejudice and hatred. It can't be a society in which backlash is stopped.

We obviously need to center the fight against bigotry, and nobody in this side of the spectrum is saying or even thinking not to.

Rather than sniping at people like me, why not offer suggestions as to how to adjust social democratic ideas to make sure no one is excluded or privileged by identity? That's something we can work together to achieve. And most of us on the Left at supportive of reparations-I always have been personally-so let's bring that in, too.

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Fact: Sanders has been in the Senate nine years and has sponsored only one bill that pass. [View all] factfinder_77 Sep 2017 OP

fact, democratic socialism not popular in a capitalistic system where the government is heavily JCanete Sep 2017 #1

Are you saying that democrats in the senate are corrupted by lobbyists? boston bean Sep 2017 #2

no, I'm saying our system is, and it bears repeating, just because a person's beliefs might be JCanete Sep 2017 #87

The way to make the system work is to vote Cary Sep 2017 #143

on an individual level that works fine. If you are one of the lucky or crazy ones who has put time JCanete Sep 2017 #168

You are one voice out of about 110 million Cary Sep 2017 #171

Yes, I know very much how much I count into the whole equation. If you think rich people JCanete Sep 2017 #173

That wasn't my point Cary Sep 2017 #174

Are you saying they're not? ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #163

Fact: Sanders worked behind the scenes getting bills onit2day Sep 2017 #47

yep the attacks never seem to end questionseverything Sep 2017 #51

Indeed, why are so many people busy attacking the Democratic party anyway? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #113

That is a fact? Can you provide sources? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #52

sanders senate voted honey bucket Sep 2017 #61

... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #71

Sanders co-sponsored the bill to dump the nuclear waste on Sierra Blanca lunamagica Sep 2017 #93

The GOP piggybacked legislation onto the bill CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #138

Again, purity tests. No bill is perfect, compromises are made. If only "perfect" bills lunamagica Sep 2017 #147

Your post is misleading - There was added GOP legistation piggybacked onto some of these bills womanofthehills Sep 2017 #94

Oh. that "purity" thing again...bill must be perfect... no room for compromise lunamagica Sep 2017 #109

sometimes people are actually wrong. I'm sure that Sanders is wrong sometimes, or even if not JCanete Sep 2017 #136

And what's the annswer on the Amber Alert bill? lunamagica Sep 2017 #175

Interesting. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #104

And every single one of those has an explination CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #137

Namely? George II Sep 2017 #68

Are you really saying fellow DUers have "twisted minds"? George II Sep 2017 #75

"Twisted minds" Cary Sep 2017 #144

What does that have to do with the OP? George II Sep 2017 #67

what is the op's point? nt JCanete Sep 2017 #79

Barack was another overachiever whose considerable accomplishments were trashed here daily, ucrdem Sep 2017 #3

++++++++Yes to everything you said. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #8

Nobody's shielding Bernie. It's fine to criticize the guy or say he shouldn't run again. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #18

If we lose the ACA I will blame the single payer bill partly and it will be very difficult to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Not to mention if we dont win seats in 2018 because of a litmus test Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #53

Very true...Eliiot. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #86

To those people: Sometimes voting AGAINST the Republican IS a perfectly fine reason. n/t Beartracks Sep 2017 #156

It all comes down to how the 2 party system works, MANY are still unclear Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #157

It's a DISTRACTION for lawmakers and a DISTRACTION for the public who... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #161

The classic was Obama being called "a second rate used car salesman" (maybe not exact words).... George II Sep 2017 #78

I remember that...I lurked then and the guy that did it is some sort of writer...awful. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Awful. Cary Sep 2017 #146

That! haveahart Sep 2017 #101

I often wonder what that's about Cary Sep 2017 #145

She isn't running for anything; and at this point isn't even in government. Agschmid Sep 2017 #4

Defeating the TPP was not a good cause. ucrdem Sep 2017 #5

Thanks for pointing out that bandwagon topics aren't always accurately R B Garr Sep 2017 #7

That's a great point. lapucelle Sep 2017 #108

Yes, I always thought that the TPP was used as a backdoor way to attack R B Garr Sep 2017 #121

Democrats needed every vote they could get in Congress back in 1993 lapucelle Sep 2017 #124

It was embraced by Trump only after we didn't embrace it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #16

Opposing fair trade is reactionary and there was nothing remotely progressive about it. ucrdem Sep 2017 #49

Nobody is opposed to "fair trade"-TPP wasn't fair trade-it was "free trade" Ken Burch Sep 2017 #77

It was never a "free trade" agreement. It was a 12-nation regulatory framework ucrdem Sep 2017 #84

Only people who read the agreement would know that...just sayin' haveahart Sep 2017 #102

Thank you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21

It is not a good cause if we lose the ACA...because we have a snowball's change in hell Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

Yes DeeDeeNY Sep 2017 #50

+1. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #72

Voting no on the Amber Alert, no on gun control, no on immigration reform, co-sponsor on a bill to lunamagica Sep 2017 #98

Nobody is perfect, and for the most part those a talking points of Bernie haters. Agschmid Sep 2017 #110

What is your point ? kacekwl Sep 2017 #6

Sanders has little experience in creating legislation that will pass. factfinder_77 Sep 2017 #11

OK...so find new wonks to flesh out the dreams. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #23

Nice try, but this isn't about Clinton and she wasn't mentioned. R B Garr Sep 2017 #25

The OP and follow-up posts by the OP were a Sanders/Clinton comparison Ken Burch Sep 2017 #35

When you read the whole OP, it's about his legislative record and how his R B Garr Sep 2017 #42

Then there was no reason to reference HRC's legislative record Ken Burch Sep 2017 #44

HRC is a good Democrat, so it certainly isn't a bad thing to reference her R B Garr Sep 2017 #92

My point is, we need to get out of the Hillary v. Bernie thing. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #134

You should take you own advice about the so-called "Hillary v. Bernie thing." R B Garr Sep 2017 #141

My main concern is NOT about Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #150

Your entire post here is about supporting Bernie, his supporters, his campaign R B Garr Sep 2017 #155

We can't ask his supporters to vote for our ticket if we anathemize all their ideas Ken Burch Sep 2017 #159

More diversions. There were many of "their ideas" added to Clinton's platform. R B Garr Sep 2017 #160

No it isn't. And the addition of those policies to our platform is my starting point. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #165

It just comes across as pointless divisiveness to continue R B Garr Sep 2017 #166

Most Democrats agree with Bernie's economic ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #167

This isn't even reality, though. If you go by election results, most Democrats R B Garr Sep 2017 #169

Obviously some people with good jobs and economic stability still act in racist ways. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #170

A lot of words, but no real point. I guess that brings us back to the start of the thread, R B Garr Sep 2017 #172

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #119

That's all you got?? What is this thread about? R B Garr Sep 2017 #120

You claimed it wasn't about Clinton, Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #125

You are making this more about Clinton than the OP. The OP is about legislative R B Garr Sep 2017 #128

Regardless of what you are invested in believing mythology Sep 2017 #133

It makes no difference it won't pass without a super majority and how often have we had those? It Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

So Teddy Kennedy should never have introduced any of his healthcare bills? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #37

I go to church with a girl who worked for Ted Kennedy in his later years... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #115

Therefore no single payer for us! zentrum Sep 2017 #9

If the ACA fails, we have lost any chance at single payer. You have to fight smart in a way that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

Fighting smart doesn't mean not talking about anything at all other than keeping the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38

Right now it is the only thing... single payer was introduced the same time that Graham's bill was Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #54

There should have been an ACA repair bill-but it wasn't Bernie's responsibilityt to introduce it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #74

You have your opinion,and I have mine...the single payer bill will go nowhere. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

And they've proved that they are fighitng for the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82

I see no such proof. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #90

Vice Chair of the DNC itself. zentrum Sep 2017 #106

I have not seen any fighting...and let me say I disagree...no matter how you cut it... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #112

You aren't going to get it this time with the government in GOP hands...better to have fought for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #116

A conversation once again G_j Sep 2017 #10

Go ahead... mudstump Sep 2017 #12

I am a Democrat and a liberal. murielm99 Sep 2017 #19

The threats don't work any more because we lost the courts, DACA, and now Medicaid/ the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30

It's Comey's and Putin's fault that that happened-stop blaming the left. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #39

That is not true...certainly those you mention were to blame, but there were enough for Hillary Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #73

Again that is a matter of opinion. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

And they are, so there's no argument here. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #85

Why do you keep making this about the primaries?? It's about Bernie's legislative R B Garr Sep 2017 #96

Progressive seats? Do you mean if people keep criticizing Bernie Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #57

The primaries are over. It's not Hillary vs. Bernie anymore. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13

LOL. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #15

What's to laugh at? I don't want Bernie to run again. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #17

Because the OP was not about what you said. It's not about the primary. R B Garr Sep 2017 #20

The linked article is from the primaries. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29

No it's not about that. You should take your own advice about 2016. R B Garr Sep 2017 #31

I always do. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #40

It's refighting the primaries -nt Bradical79 Sep 2017 #97

Comparing and contrasting Bernie's legislative record is not about R B Garr Sep 2017 #99

Yes it is Bradical79 Sep 2017 #103

Ironically, some other articles about his record might not be permitted here.... R B Garr Sep 2017 #107

The OP is an attack (OK - criticism) on Sanders by comparing something he did pangaia Sep 2017 #43

It is not an attack to discuss and compare records. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

hummmmm pangaia Sep 2017 #60

This is done all the time, and then they alert on it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

True, I've noticed that the same false accusations fly if the focus R B Garr Sep 2017 #95

Yes....you have to wonder what motivates someone to introduce a bill that basically says the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

Agreed. The look on Graham's face was pretty snide and evil and he called R B Garr Sep 2017 #123

I am really ticked about single payer being advance instead of a bill fixing the ACA...I really am Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

You're right. And it was those who preferred the ACA to single-payer Ken Burch Sep 2017 #41

There it is...'those who preferred the ACA'...this is not a choice between single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

And they all are fighting to save it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #70

What has been done and by whom? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #83

Everyone in the Senate Democratic Congress has been part of the continuing battle to save ACA. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #135

Name something specific because I have barely heard the ACA mentioned. I have heard talk only Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #139

Can you give me a specific example? All I hear is generalities...I have watch politics and read Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140

He's currently promoting his own bill with no mention of the ACA: ucrdem Sep 2017 #158

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance sheshe2 Sep 2017 #65

1) That's an article FROM THE PRIMARIES, so you're refighting Ken Burch Sep 2017 #14

Has sanders had more thug majorities than HRC? Honest question. Lucky Luciano Sep 2017 #22

Nope and this one is particularly bad...in terms of timing. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #34

No. lapucelle Sep 2017 #111

Seems like something that a russian/gop would come up with to distract rockfordfile Sep 2017 #33

I think s/he was commenting on how effective WhiteTara Sep 2017 #131

Do you have any idea what senators actually do? pangaia Sep 2017 #36

I sincerely wish I saw any evidence that he has supported the ACA at this critical time. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64

Bullshit. Bernie has been one of the staunchest defenders of the ACA riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #148

From today: Sanders says saving the ACA is the first priority Arazi Sep 2017 #149

He says no such thing. ucrdem Sep 2017 #152

Yup. It does. The current R bill he's referencing is Graham Cassidy Arazi Sep 2017 #153

Nowhere does he mention the ACA in today's feed. It's all about his own MFA bill: ucrdem Sep 2017 #154

He's a non-Democrat who gets support outside of his state by promising things he can't deliver NightWatcher Sep 2017 #45

If he's just staying in the Senate, it no longer matters whether he formally joins the Dems. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #48

If we lose the ACA who do you think will be blamed aside from the GOP of course. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66

You don't need to persuade me about the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69

But, Ken, he's "not a Democrat." pangaia Sep 2017 #122

Interesting. However, it's not very promising or encouraging for... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #46

so fucking what? Cobalt Violet Sep 2017 #56

I've been a member of DU for over 16 years. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #62

This dflprincess Sep 2017 #132

He sure sucks. snort Sep 2017 #76

Oh, that's it! Now I'm mad! When's the primary? Iggo Sep 2017 #88

OP has interesting point, but obscured by Refighting the Primary (anti-Sanders) frame philly_bob Sep 2017 #91

Nice try...sure there was an alert but it is still here. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #118

I remember this article from the Primary Wars era. Nice of you to dredge it up. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #100

K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #105

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #114

Stuff like this is why Republicans are going to win CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #126

... LexVegas Sep 2017 #127

It is doing just as I said CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #129

Shush. WhiteTara Sep 2017 #130

This post helps Russia ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #142

Checked calendar. Primaries AND General Election were LAST year. Confused. Beartracks Sep 2017 #151

I propose a separate forum for all attacks on Bernie left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #162

So? That doesn't mean the bills he sponsored were wrong. ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #164

He's an idealist. He doesn't really get things done. PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #176