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In reply to the discussion: Urban Institute analysis of Sanders Single Payer Plan: May 2016 [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)79. Again...Sanders is implying that it is cheaper that experts say it is.
Last edited Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Perhaps you would understand the concept better if I explained it as:
Affordable, fast or good. Pick two.
Sanders' plan is saying it's all three.
If he moved the implementation timeline to 20 years, that would fit. (fast)
If he raised the price and predictions of taxes needed to what the analysis of his 2016 plan by experts stated, that would fit. (affordable)
If he included the disruption of the health care system that the analysis of his 2016 plan by experts stated, that would fit. (good)
Here is independent analysis that talks about costs in his 2016 plan, an analysis that supporters called "an attack":
Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders proposed a single-payer system to replace all current health coverage. His system would cover all medically necessary care, including long-term care, without cost-sharing. We estimate that the approach would decrease the uninsured by 28.3 million people in 2017. National health expenditures would increase by $6.6 trillion between 2017 and 2026, while federal expenditures would increase by $32.0 trillion over that period. Sanderss revenue proposals, intended to finance all health and nonhealth spending he proposed, would raise $15.3 trillion from 2017 to 2026thus, the proposed taxes are much too low to fully finance his health plan.
https://www.urban.org/research/publication/sanders-single-payer-health-care-plan-effect-national-health-expenditures-and-federal-and-private-spending
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The Urban Institute is a creditable organization. They did much of the work establishing Medicare's
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#1
what? fuck that. You say some shit as if ..."it can't be all these 3 things" and you say that for
JCanete
Sep 2017
#67
It can't. This is an axiom of project management. A big & complicated project cannot be all three.
stevenleser
Sep 2017
#76
I did not see where the poster indicated that the bill was going for fast and cheap, only that it
JCanete
Sep 2017
#78
So insurance as it stands, which is gouging the fuck out of people, and granted, often has massive
JCanete
Sep 2017
#96
I am not going to read the whole thing, does it relieve employers buying health insurance
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#4
Taxes being much higher than anticipated were part of why VT single payer failed.(n)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#8
That was the problem with the California proposal, and the Democratic Speaker....
George II
Sep 2017
#22
"The increases in federal spending that we estimated ($32 trillion between 2017 and 2026)"
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#24
I'm basing that on the fact that we currently spend around $3.8 Trillion annually...
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#30
Don't worry Sanders is only the sponsor/visionary-he did his part in moving the needle
andym
Sep 2017
#46
MFA would radically change things, could happen quickly and would be disruptive in a good way
andym
Sep 2017
#62
Delivery of care will not be disrupted if universal healthcare is engineered carefully
andym
Sep 2017
#94
We are jumping on board based on the principle of achieving universal health care
andym
Sep 2017
#95
America is the only industrialized nation in the world incapable of implementing universal coverage.
Orsino
Sep 2017
#20
Sanders has a say in what goes into the bill, but no more than any other co-sponsor.
Orsino
Sep 2017
#109
Bernie is not known for drumming up support among his colleagues to write a bill.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#122
Your statement that he is tweaking it with other Senators has the burden of proof
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#124
So now you say who wrote and edits the bill isn't important but it DEFINITELY isn't just Bernie...
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#135
They would have been more trustworthy had they revealed their conflict of interest in the analysis
Major Nikon
Sep 2017
#48
People have been saying that on DU over and over again - anyone know if they REALLY....
George II
Sep 2017
#70
Do you also tell your students that a source that presents a barely edited Wikipedia copy/paste
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#80
You keep bringing up Sourcewatch and their inaccurate comment about Cigna and Pfizer. Why?
George II
Sep 2017
#51
Because it means they don't have to read or learn something they don't wanna. (nt)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#56
According to the Urban League's annual report only 1.4% of their funding comes from....
George II
Sep 2017
#50
They have four or five annual reports and also audited financial statements on their site....
George II
Sep 2017
#63
More evidence why I think we should be working to architect a two-tier or dual-tier system from the
stevenleser
Sep 2017
#77