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zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
25. Not all about legal
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:22 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)

The problem here is that everyone wants to discuss legal. But institutions are allowed to have their own codes of conduct, especially private institutions. And behavior that may not rise to the level of "illegal", or at least where there will be difficulty in establishing that threshold, can still expose behavior which is in severe violations of a code of conduct.

I'm not saying that accused shouldn't get an opportunity to defend themselves, but we have to acknowledge that in the past, institutions were far more concerned about the rights of the accused, than the defense of the victims. Have a few cases gone too far in the other direction? Possibly. But as a general guideline, institutions need to make sure the victim is being given a certain "credibility" standard as well.

We can talk about the benefit of the doubt of the accused, but the way that generally works out is that the victim is presumed to be presenting false testimony until proven otherwise. Alternately, as we have seen, there is far more reason for the accused to lie, than for the victim. The victim, even if successful, often has to admit to behaviors that will be judged severely, despite the fact that they are in fact a victim. But for the accused, lying generally puts them into a victim status, with sympathy being the primary result.

Institutions need to work towards processes that investigate, with an emphasis on establishing credibility, not merely protecting the rights of the accused. And they also need to be prepared to act, based upon conduct which may not be criminal, if credible reason exists.

Can't read it because it is behind a paywall. nt DURHAM D Sep 2017 #1
I think I'm allowed to quote 2 paras, right? LAS14 Sep 2017 #4
Interesting read cyclonefence Sep 2017 #2
she could be mistaken dsc Sep 2017 #3
Yes, but cyclonefence Sep 2017 #6
Could you explain more fully? LAS14 Sep 2017 #5
I am not equating women with children cyclonefence Sep 2017 #7
OK, then let's work really hard to insure that victim's accusations... LAS14 Sep 2017 #9
I understand what you're saying cyclonefence Sep 2017 #10
This kind of reasoning would make me crazy if I were... LAS14 Sep 2017 #8
That line of reasoning makes you crazy? Why? kcr Sep 2017 #14
It would make me crazy to think that in the case of rape... LAS14 Sep 2017 #19
You're confusing me with someone else. I didn't say anything about "no bono", whatever that means. kcr Sep 2017 #23
Cyclone fence used the phrase cui bono... who benefits, and... LAS14 Sep 2017 #24
Bumping after an unwanted hiatus. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #11
I am not boasting about getting out of jury duty, understand that from the get go.... usedtobedemgurl Sep 2017 #12
I don't disagree that their is a history... LAS14 Sep 2017 #16
No one is saying we should put rapists in jail without a trial.... usedtobedemgurl Sep 2017 #22
I hold an opinion less popular than Title IX advocates OR Betsy Devoss Nevernose Sep 2017 #13
Thanks for articulating another angle that... LAS14 Sep 2017 #15
I can't read the article so I don't know what their criteria is for calling these lawyers feminist kcr Sep 2017 #17
I added 2 more paras and a comment of my own. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #20
Four paragraphs. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #18
Thanks. I added 2 more paras and a comment of my own. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #21
Not all about legal zipplewrath Sep 2017 #25
Thanks. Thoughtful and intelligent. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #27
This is very empowering to this feminist get the red out Sep 2017 #26
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