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In reply to the discussion: Urban Institute analysis of Sanders Single Payer Plan: May 2016 [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)103. Which as the UI analysis said, the Sanders plan would do far more than an
incremental approach on a longer timeline that what his plan says will work.
Also from the Nation article:
We shouldnt make promises that we arent going to be able to keep. Its not going to be easy to do, Jacob Hacker says, and anyone who tells you that the most expensive health-care system in the world is going to undergo a sudden shift to highly efficient and low-price medicine has not been studying American medicine.
Also you keep moving the fence on this - first you say that single payer is the same as universal health care, and anyone who doesn't support SP doesn't think healthcare is a right, or doesn't get goverment, then you say that you don't think that, and then you argue that maybe the UI analysis defintion of "disruption" isn't really the kind that's bad, then you say that there won't be any disruption if it's implemented "carefully" on a timeline that is different than what Sanders proposes, then you say that then you say that it doesn't really have to be implemented to be really good for the US.....
What is that supposed to tell me about your understanding of this thing you are "jumping on board with?"
It just sounds like you really don't care what it really involves, but won't own that you are cheerleading for this, and will simply rebut what ever real obstacles and problems someone presents to "believing" in it.
It's not dogma to me, any more than "climate change is a liberal hoax!" is.
I'm going to look at it for what it is, and not be distracted by what it claims to "represent." When Obama reassured people that "you can keep your doctor," he was trying to get people on board with the ACA. But that wasn't true, and it was used as ammunition by the GOP to discredit him for lying about the ACA.
And when the CBO numbers come out, if the bill gets that far, and they show that Sanders' bill costs way more than he says it will, that won't move the needle anywhere but backwards on how credible it is, and by extension the Democrats that have hopped on, as to how skilled they are at offering real solutions.
These are real solutions that can get more people covered way sooner than 2020:
The Solutions over Politics plan would:
Create an annual $15 billion reinsurance fund. ObamaCare had a reinsurance program for three years from 2014 to 2016 to provide payments to insurers that enroll higher-cost, sicker individuals.
Continue ObamaCare's insurer payments, which reimburse them for giving discounts to low-income patients. Insurers have blamed the uncertainty over whether these payments will continue as a reason for their proposed double digit rate increases in 2018.
Have "robust marketing strategies" to ensure that more people enroll during open enrollment periods.
Allow a buy-in option for Medicare for people nearing retirement age.
Expand tax credits by age, geography and income to help people buy insurance. Currently, about 84 percent of ObamaCare participants get a subsidy.
Expand the availability of catastrophic health plans that include essential health benefits and coverage for primary care for younger enrollees. These plans, meant to protect people from worst-scenarios, tend to have low monthly premiums and high deductibles.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/341616-ten-house-democrats-propose-plan-to-fix-obamacare
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The Urban Institute is a creditable organization. They did much of the work establishing Medicare's
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#1
what? fuck that. You say some shit as if ..."it can't be all these 3 things" and you say that for
JCanete
Sep 2017
#67
It can't. This is an axiom of project management. A big & complicated project cannot be all three.
stevenleser
Sep 2017
#76
I did not see where the poster indicated that the bill was going for fast and cheap, only that it
JCanete
Sep 2017
#78
So insurance as it stands, which is gouging the fuck out of people, and granted, often has massive
JCanete
Sep 2017
#96
I am not going to read the whole thing, does it relieve employers buying health insurance
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#4
Taxes being much higher than anticipated were part of why VT single payer failed.(n)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#8
That was the problem with the California proposal, and the Democratic Speaker....
George II
Sep 2017
#22
"The increases in federal spending that we estimated ($32 trillion between 2017 and 2026)"
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#24
I'm basing that on the fact that we currently spend around $3.8 Trillion annually...
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#30
Don't worry Sanders is only the sponsor/visionary-he did his part in moving the needle
andym
Sep 2017
#46
MFA would radically change things, could happen quickly and would be disruptive in a good way
andym
Sep 2017
#62
Delivery of care will not be disrupted if universal healthcare is engineered carefully
andym
Sep 2017
#94
We are jumping on board based on the principle of achieving universal health care
andym
Sep 2017
#95
America is the only industrialized nation in the world incapable of implementing universal coverage.
Orsino
Sep 2017
#20
Sanders has a say in what goes into the bill, but no more than any other co-sponsor.
Orsino
Sep 2017
#109
Bernie is not known for drumming up support among his colleagues to write a bill.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#122
Your statement that he is tweaking it with other Senators has the burden of proof
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#124
So now you say who wrote and edits the bill isn't important but it DEFINITELY isn't just Bernie...
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#135
They would have been more trustworthy had they revealed their conflict of interest in the analysis
Major Nikon
Sep 2017
#48
People have been saying that on DU over and over again - anyone know if they REALLY....
George II
Sep 2017
#70
Do you also tell your students that a source that presents a barely edited Wikipedia copy/paste
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#80
You keep bringing up Sourcewatch and their inaccurate comment about Cigna and Pfizer. Why?
George II
Sep 2017
#51
Because it means they don't have to read or learn something they don't wanna. (nt)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#56
According to the Urban League's annual report only 1.4% of their funding comes from....
George II
Sep 2017
#50
They have four or five annual reports and also audited financial statements on their site....
George II
Sep 2017
#63
More evidence why I think we should be working to architect a two-tier or dual-tier system from the
stevenleser
Sep 2017
#77