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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. OK, the Comey/Russian thing mattered-and she has the right to defend her campaign.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 06:32 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Mon Sep 18, 2017, 08:45 PM - Edit history (1)

It's fine for her to talk about what her campaign did well-and it did a number of things well.

She ran a very effective primary campaign, winning demographics she had overwhelmingly lost in '08. She gets full credit for that achievement.

Defending her campaign wasn't what that section read as to a lot of people.

I read it, and I think a lot of people read it as her saying she'd have won in the fall if only she'd been nominated without a significant campaign, it only Bernie hadn't run. And I think a lot of his younger supporters, even the overwhelming majority who did work and vote for her in the fall, read it as a raised middle finger.

My loyalty is to those younger voters and to our need to connect with them.

We are not going to be able to do that if we essentially tell them "everything that went bad in '16 was YOUR fault-and if you want to be in this party, from now on you have to give up working for any of the causes you care about, settle for what WE give you, and do what you're damn well told!"

These are people who do not have a solid brand loyalty to OUR party yet. They won't go GOP, but they might go minor party or just drift away from political involvement.

We can't win in '18 or '20 if they do. There are no other blocs of voters whose presence at the polling booth is going to rise enough to make up for us losing those people on a long-term basis.

That's why I've sometimes seemed like a broken record on some things. We need those people to win and we need them to be the people who share the work of keeping this party going in the future.

And engaging them doesn't mean throwing any of our current supporters under the bus, because these people are all solidly pro-choice and solidly committed to social justice, as they are committed to the other causes they fight for.





The election was stolen by on the ground russian agents and gop operatives. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #1
Yes! ++++++++ FakeNoose Sep 2017 #38
The only issue I had with the book was her section going after Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #2
He said she lost because she ran a poor campaign, which discounted the importance pnwmom Sep 2017 #3
OK, the Comey/Russian thing mattered-and she has the right to defend her campaign. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #11
I don't think her younger supporters see any of Hillary's actions as a middle finger to them. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #15
I meant HIS younger supporters...writing "hers" was a typo-I've corrected it. Sorry. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #37
That was a typo. I meant to write "his younger supporters". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #41
You speaking for her younger supporters now? You sure you want to go down that road ? JHan Sep 2017 #34
TYPO-I meant to write "HIS younger supporters". It's now corrected. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #36
Ken.. JHan Sep 2017 #40
It was a typo. I meant to write "his", and I've corrected it now. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #42
okay, noted. JHan Sep 2017 #43
The stuff about Sanders was a very small part of the 470+ page book. People should read the book.. George II Sep 2017 #31
Agreed. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #49
BTW, I corrected my post, it is a 470+ page book, not 4710!!!! Fat fingers. George II Sep 2017 #50
I agree with you regardless of the book's length. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58
That was her view and the view of many others. She's entitled to her view. The stuff haveahart Sep 2017 #55
Why do you assume this is about you? Squinch Sep 2017 #7
+ JI7 Sep 2017 #9
I don't. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12
Why are you doing it in this thread? Why do you assume it is about you? Squinch Sep 2017 #13
### NurseJackie Sep 2017 #18
As a person who doesn't want Bernie to run for president again... Ken Burch Sep 2017 #27
I'm not suggesting that you have any responsibility or accountability for his words... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #29
It's not irrelevant. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #35
We'll never agree on everything. But I'm glad to see that you agree with everything else. I hope... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #39
agreed, no problem with most of the book paulkienitz Sep 2017 #30
bernie and bernie supporters heaven05 Sep 2017 #59
No reasonable Democrat wants HRC to sit down and shut up. philly_bob Sep 2017 #4
Lots of Democrats on this site have expressed the opinion that Hillary should step down pnwmom Sep 2017 #5
Just like John Kerry did, right? catrose Sep 2017 #8
Yes but they had penises. For some reason it's different for those of us who don't. Squinch Sep 2017 #10
I can't understand it. catrose Sep 2017 #33
Some try to justify it by putting a time limit on her silence... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #44
Thank you, thank you! Everything about this, from the title on is spot on. R B Garr Sep 2017 #6
Hillary has every right to speak. She said she won't run for office again but wants to stay involved jalan48 Sep 2017 #14
Did Bernie tell Hillary to sit down and shut up? I don't think so. Autumn Sep 2017 #16
oh, LOL, I see what you're doing there. R B Garr Sep 2017 #20
You don't like my post alert it. The alert button is on the bottom left corner of my post. nt Autumn Sep 2017 #21
Why? Your post is a perfect example -- perfect -- of the R B Garr Sep 2017 #22
If my post is "obnoxious" then please alert it. nt Autumn Sep 2017 #23
Why? It's a perfect example of the title of the article. R B Garr Sep 2017 #26
Yep leftofcool Sep 2017 #54
Victimhood is just so annoying leftofcool Sep 2017 #52
"Hillary will sit down and shut up when Bernie does" -- meaning, NEVER. pnwmom Sep 2017 #24
Neither one should shut up Autumn Sep 2017 #25
Isn't it weird that Hillary speaking is contingent upon Bernie speaking or not speaking.... aikoaiko Sep 2017 #17
Is this you being clever or did you really not understand the statement? Squinch Sep 2017 #19
Trying to be clever because the author is being ridiculous. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #32
Thank you for the perfect example of what the author was writing about. leftofcool Sep 2017 #56
Ok, well, I've never said that Hillary should not speak or write her book. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #57
The double standard is in all caps now mcar Sep 2017 #28
True. Sad. Maddening. Revealing. Unsurprising. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #45
Sanders is an elected official currently in office, obligated not to shut up. Orsino Sep 2017 #46
To ask her to shut up is to deny everything "That Happened" last year. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #47
We cant even talk about what happened last year HERE of all places Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #51
When I read "double standard" in the subject line I knew it would be an anti-Bernie thread. nt redgreenandblue Sep 2017 #48
How is sexism and a double standard an anti-Bernie thread? leftofcool Sep 2017 #53
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