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mzmolly

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36. The prosecution released the information
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:33 AM
Jul 2012

above, which is how the media knows about it.

Most people can think of people in their past or present who would not portray them well if asked by a police investigator...some may actually make shit up...the police know this and so do judges and prosecutors. Did you steal the neighbor girl's boyfriend 20 years ago? Did you report a co-worker for a rules violation 3 jobs back? Were you fired for cause from any job? Did you go through a bad divorce? Did you call animal control on the neighbor's dog 6 1/2 years ago?


So, you're equating a history of criminal behavior, violence and sexual assault, to trivial matters such as - most people know someone who doesn't like them? Am I understanding you correctly?

So you get a witness on the stand and the only people who know for sure what is true or false is the witness and the defendant. The witness makes a proclamation, "he molested me", the prosecutor can't use others to collaborate this because the witness told nobody. Now the defense gets to question the witness. Isn't it true that you have accused at least 4 other's of molesting you? (the defense knows because the accused knows everything about this person in minute details, and the police spoke to her for an hour or 2, if that) Witness: Well, yes.. (Prosecutor is picking himself off the floor). Not everyone questioned by police are used as witnesses in the trial, in fact outside of Hollywood trials, there has to be a very direct link between testimony and the criminal charges.


The witness did tell someone. I refer you back to the article, again. Your absurd suggestion that the accuser in this case, made other accusations, is completely unfounded. Further the article indicates that there were more victims.

Lastly, there are no depositions in criminal cases except in unusual cases such as an illness which may make the witness unavailable for the trial, or if the witness is a minor..There has been no testimony that I am aware of taken in this case. No, the things listed are the raw product of the criminal investigator's reports, or news reports based on people the news reporters spoke to...people never lie to reporters...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposition_%28law%29

"Depositions are a part of the discovery process in which litigants gather information in preparation for trial. Some jurisdictions recognize an affidavit as a form of deposition, sometimes called a "deposition upon written questions." The routine practice of obtaining the oral evidence of a witness before trial is foreign to common law jurisdictions such as England, Australia and New Zealand. Having the right to pose oral questions to opposing parties in litigation before trial developed in Canada and the United States in the nineteenth century."

You should follow the case more closely, given your zealous defense of Mr. Zimmerman.

The first link: "None of the cases was exhaustively investigated, so we can't know what actually happened at this point."


How can you make such a claim?

Second link: "“You describe him as a bully?” an investigator asks the unnamed former co-worker. “Yes,” he replies. "And did you feel bias towards yourself? “Yes, and that is because I was an easy target for him,” the former co-worker responds." Meaningless, not admissible, without much more and some way to collaborate..maybe the person has made these claims at every job he has worked at against others who have no history..we can't know at this point.


Polish up those investigative skills you have and do some googling. You'll see that your suggestions are completely unfounded. "We" can and do "know at this point." The accuser in this case, brought the matter to his superiors. The accuser also had co-workers support his claims.

Third link. There may actually be something usable in that case..testimony or some such..admissibility is another question.


I'm going to defer to the judge about what is admissible or not.

Forth link: I don't know. Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic?


He's Peruvian and Jewish. I have no idea if he self identifies as Hispanic or not. Nor do I care.

No matter how you slice it, none of your links include depositions or testimony, they are news stories..


Uhm, I'm not here to try the case. I'm here to discuss it. The "news stories" are based upon the "evidence" that has been released and includes depositions, witness statements, police reports etc. Thus the report entitled "Witness 9" claims George Zimmerman sexually molested her" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57472994-504083/george-zimmerman-witness-9-claims-trayvon-martin-shooter-sexually-molested-her/

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He is an ugly representation OverseaVisitor Jul 2012 #1
I don't understand how this is connected to the trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin. enough Jul 2012 #2
I don't think the allegations have anything to do with the murder charge. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #3
Much of the prosecution's case seems to be based on impugning Zimmerman's character slackmaster Jul 2012 #17
Well it certainly points to a personality that will abuse others....and children??? You for real? SugarShack Jul 2012 #52
Sociopath, mzmolly Jul 2012 #4
Geez really? pipoman Jul 2012 #5
The witness contacted authorities to tell them Zimmerman was racist csziggy Jul 2012 #7
But when asked about it, she didn't provide any examples of how Zimmerman supposedly was LisaL Jul 2012 #10
She gave an example of how the entire Zimmerman family was racist csziggy Jul 2012 #28
What example? Do tell. LisaL Jul 2012 #35
It's in the article linked in the OP csziggy Jul 2012 #49
One of the first things a criminal investigator pipoman Jul 2012 #12
You could be right - I was just bringing up her original motivation csziggy Jul 2012 #27
...until he was 18. mzmolly Jul 2012 #11
This, assuming it is true, wouldn't prove any of those things... pipoman Jul 2012 #13
Yes it mzmolly Jul 2012 #14
OK, I read it.. pipoman Jul 2012 #15
I also doubt that it is admissible. mzmolly Jul 2012 #16
I am not defending him or what he did or didn't do.. pipoman Jul 2012 #19
Regarding the microscope you speak of ... mzmolly Jul 2012 #20
You nor I know, pipoman Jul 2012 #22
"Think about the police interviewing every person you have ever known and asking them questions..." mzmolly Jul 2012 #29
No, first a prosecutor will determine the significance.. pipoman Jul 2012 #32
The prosecution released the information mzmolly Jul 2012 #36
You are not understanding anything I am saying correctly.. pipoman Jul 2012 #38
If you're going to discuss a case, with such zest, mzmolly Jul 2012 #41
I have never once said, pipoman Jul 2012 #43
You know nothing about me mzmolly Jul 2012 #47
"When someone is in their 30's, nothing that they did while a juvenile really says anything ... mzmolly Jul 2012 #21
Now he has a Psychiatric Disorder? pipoman Jul 2012 #33
Let me refer you back to your dismissive statement. mzmolly Jul 2012 #37
This is contrary...completely with antisocial behavior.. pipoman Jul 2012 #39
No, it isn't contrary. mzmolly Jul 2012 #40
I didn't say anti-social can't act...they are great actors pipoman Jul 2012 #45
So you think the witness had warm feelings mzmolly Jul 2012 #46
Go back and read what was written..nobody would read that pipoman Jul 2012 #56
What mzmolly Jul 2012 #58
You didn't go back and read pipoman Jul 2012 #60
I read the quote mzmolly Jul 2012 #61
I've seen people here bend themselves into knots defend this racist thug, Occulus Jul 2012 #25
We all develop our beliefs from our life's experience.. pipoman Jul 2012 #26
As a criminal investigator mzmolly Jul 2012 #30
It depends if I am trying to pipoman Jul 2012 #31
Regardless, mzmolly Jul 2012 #34
Are you meaning only "legally" that nothing a person did as a juvi says anything about them... uppityperson Jul 2012 #54
No, in court.. pipoman Jul 2012 #55
Thank you. Seems many DUers are meaning in real life which is different as in real life of course uppityperson Jul 2012 #57
I completely agree pipoman Jul 2012 #59
Though, if you are having fun snarking back and forth up there, have at it. uppityperson Jul 2012 #62
Sometimes I do enjoy it.. pipoman Jul 2012 #63
For the record, mzmolly Jul 2012 #64
For the record, I am capable of reading all the replies in this thread but thank you for trying to uppityperson Jul 2012 #65
Sure. mzmolly Jul 2012 #66
Oh, I read them all. Just came to a different conclusion after clarifying a few things. uppityperson Jul 2012 #67
I said above that I didn't feel the accusations were admissible in a court of law. mzmolly Jul 2012 #68
Which is why I asked and clarified. I was ready to jump his shit, but clarified and understand uppityperson Jul 2012 #69
Ahh. mzmolly Jul 2012 #70
B mzmolly Jul 2012 #48
Is this even admissible at trial? longship Jul 2012 #6
No, I don't think it's admissible at trial. LisaL Jul 2012 #8
I don't think it will even come up in a trial. I only posted it because it may speak TalkingDog Jul 2012 #9
Probably not, but the defense will have to explicitly move for it to be ruled as inadmissable slackmaster Jul 2012 #18
Both Lisabeth Salander and Nils Bjurman would object to the tattoo argument. longship Jul 2012 #23
Trying to taint the jury pool, perhaps? (n/t) Seeking Serenity Jul 2012 #24
Gathering evidence and releasing it mzmolly Jul 2012 #42
good point, they're trying to protect him from the beginning, when he ignored law enforcement SugarShack Jul 2012 #53
Looks kind of like a smear campaign ... OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #44
Connections? mzmolly Jul 2012 #50
More proof needed, however... liberalmuse Jul 2012 #51
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