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Hortensis

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44. Half of every big group is conservative, and half of those are trumpster types,

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 06:10 AM

Sep 2017

and also a smaller number of their counterparts from the farther left. These sorts all do anger and resentment against those they don't see as like them all too well.

They have good reason to be angry, of course. I just wish striking out at Democrats, instead of Republicans, was not as natural to this half of our Dreamers as the scorpion's biting of the frog who gave him a ride across the river.

We Democrats are the only reason they have any hope of citizenship. We are the people who insisted they be educated in public schools against strenuous opposition from the right. We are the reason they have the good lives they are afraid of losing. Of course, we very much includes Senator Pelosi, who for 30 years has supported, and often been instrumental in passage, of every piece of legislation that has benefited them.

People so typically blame everything on the party in power, and these people especially have every reason in the world to blame the Republicans, but they attack us. Because to blame Republicans would be to blame those they want to be.

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Why California Undocumented Youth and I Interrupted Nancy Pelosis DREAM Act Press Conference [View all] HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 OP

Like Crabs in a Basket Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #1

Half of every big group is conservative, and half of those are trumpster types, Hortensis Sep 2017 #44

So they should shut up and be grateful for what little we give them you mean? Kentonio Sep 2017 #51

I would be especially delighted if all their anti-Democrat-left counterparts shut up, but Hortensis Sep 2017 #65

Did you think the same about BLM when they attacked people in the party? Kentonio Sep 2017 #68

And it lives. Sigh... Hortensis Sep 2017 #74

You seem to have quite strong views about how immigrants should behave Kentonio Sep 2017 #76

There are people who have quite strong views about what harassment a public servant ehrnst Sep 2017 #119

Who have they been attacking? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #95

Thanks for finding this leftstreet Sep 2017 #2

So, they blame both Democrats and Republicans? leftofcool Sep 2017 #3

The Funny Thing Is Me. Sep 2017 #6

I know she will because that is what she does and always has done leftofcool Sep 2017 #8

At this point, they dont trust anyone in government since DumpsterFire broke faith Warpy Sep 2017 #111

I Totally Disagree With The Last Paragraph Me. Sep 2017 #4

I agree. leftofcool Sep 2017 #7

Yep. fallout87 Sep 2017 #30

Thanks for posting. I was a teacher in Southern CA until a few BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #5

I support the Dreamers, too, enthusiastically. But I think it was a mistake for them to go after pnwmom Sep 2017 #14

Yes But There Are Some WhO Claim She'll Never Lift A Finger Me. Sep 2017 #15

Then they are stupid because she already has...and if they don't like Democrats then by all means Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

Quite Me. Sep 2017 #29

I agree that their protest was misdirected and should've been BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #16

Supposedly some of the leaders hate the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

The problem I have here is that the people they silenced, that Pelsoi was giving a platform Ninsianna Sep 2017 #45

Oh a whole crowd of Sherlocks were convinced these people were The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #9

Most dreamers have been going after these people saying they don't speak for them JI7 Sep 2017 #10

I saw that...I tweeted Nancy and wrote her a letter too. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25

+1 treestar Sep 2017 #85

Are they are going after Trump & Republicans delisen Sep 2017 #11

They aren't "going after" anyone loyalsister Sep 2017 #34

Let me re-phase: Is this group demonstrating against delisen Sep 2017 #37

They are like six loud mouthed idiots- She should have walked down with the mic to them snooper2 Sep 2017 #59

They silenced Dreamers who were a part of that press conference, who were Ninsianna Sep 2017 #67

What about the people who used them to attack Pelosi? ehrnst Sep 2017 #96

They stood their and shouted Nancy down...a person trying to help them while giving the GOP a pass. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

My comment to her on her article stevenleser Sep 2017 #12

I disagree with that line of reasoning. Some things are complicated and nuanced. Some things JCanete Sep 2017 #62

"Instruments of lies?" ehrnst Sep 2017 #98

Did you just go searching for every post I've made in the last couple days? If you don't have a JCanete Sep 2017 #99

You and I are posting on many of the same threads. ehrnst Sep 2017 #100

That's not, if you are actually interested in having a conversation. I was starting to doubt that. JCanete Sep 2017 #101

Which people? Which corporate media? ehrnst Sep 2017 #102

have you even bothered to go back to your other posts where you queried me on these things? I spoke JCanete Sep 2017 #103

I'm asking you your opinion of media more specifically. ehrnst Sep 2017 #104

It is not that I dismiss it entirely, it is that when they come out and say what I expect them to JCanete Sep 2017 #112

Can you point me to where the Globe said/implied this: ehrnst Sep 2017 #113

The first quote is the one R B Garr thinks is so salient. JCanete Sep 2017 #114

So that's the basis for your assumption that the Globe can't be trusted? ehrnst Sep 2017 #115

If they hadn't rushed the ACA they wouldn't have gotten it at all. You cannot account for everything JCanete Sep 2017 #118

You still haven't told me your metric for trusting a journalistic source. ehrnst Sep 2017 #120

They're interpretation of the information is not the same as the information. Good lord. JCanete Sep 2017 #122

Without reading the Globe article...what I hear you saying is that ehrnst Sep 2017 #124

No, the writer could be lying, but doesn't have to be lying. This person may not have looked JCanete Sep 2017 #125

But the media is the way in which the Vermont public would learn about the plan ehrnst Sep 2017 #126

oh fucking a. I'm not just saying it now. Go back and read my posts. I already said that JCanete Sep 2017 #128

More circles... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #130

how so? JCanete Sep 2017 #134

You know. Like you did. ehrnst Sep 2017 #135

I'm thinking you don't really have a case to make, and that you don't like to admit it when you JCanete Sep 2017 #136

How does it feel to be led in circles? ehrnst Sep 2017 #137

but I haven't presented a circular argument. I was very clear about how I think money influences JCanete Sep 2017 #138

That statement is fucking insulting, period. greeny2323 Sep 2017 #13

You think that's insulting? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #20

Well if you don't like the Democrats who have tried without Obama their would be no DACA...then Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

My point stands. Deportation is deportation. No matter who's doing it CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #42

This is about stopping deportation of dreamers. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Why do you keep citing the TOS to me? It is factual what I said CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #73

I never threaten anyone...and we are supposed to support Democrats and it is not acceptable to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

you know that these groups have had to fight over the years to get the democrats to hear them and JCanete Sep 2017 #63

I've been thinking about this. TomSlick Sep 2017 #17

This was wrong...pure and simple. There is no excusing it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

I agree. I was inexusable. TomSlick Sep 2017 #32

I don't agree...this was orchestrated by those who dislike the Democratic party in my opinion. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

Consider Hanlon's Razor TomSlick Sep 2017 #77

That is great...love that. Everyday I l learn something of value on DU. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

nobody thinks about nancy s feelings. Chipper Chat Sep 2017 #18

Unless they start interrupting republicans and going after them all I can say is this hurts the caus onecaliberal Sep 2017 #19

Exactly and further no Dem has ever gotten one vote treestar Sep 2017 #84

I have heard their excuses...but the fact is if we save the DACA kids it will Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

I can think of several California congressMEN who are evil and obnoxious... Hekate Sep 2017 #24

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Sep 2017 #33

Great post Hekate, thank you. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #41

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #131

As Salmon Rushdie said on Bill Mahr... Zoonart Sep 2017 #28

That is an excellent point...the GOP is the enemy of all progressives. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

Perfect. KPN Sep 2017 #55

They were wrong.. they accomplished nothing nini Sep 2017 #31

Well, if their intention was to cause supporters to become indifferent, they have succeeded. Glorfindel Sep 2017 #35

Don't say that. This was a small group who were manipulated by a Democratic hating Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

Wow. n/t demmiblue Sep 2017 #57

If you are so easily dissuaded then you weren't much of a supporter to begin with. NT LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #69

Yeah. Screw them trying to fight for their lives. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #70

When people in need are being used to protest liberals who are helping them ehrnst Sep 2017 #82

A stupefyingly awful sentiment. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #75

It's just bad judgment. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2017 #36

Thanks for posting Beringia Sep 2017 #38

Not all undocumented youth qualify for DACA OhioBlue Sep 2017 #39

They will not get everything...at this point, there is sympathy for Dreamers...we will not be Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #50

And that was part of their reason for protest - pitting people against one another gratuitous Sep 2017 #60

DACA protesting Pelosi reminds me of BLM protesting Bernie and MOM in the summer 2015 aikoaiko Sep 2017 #40

I saw how Bernie responded the BLM interruption of his rally. ehrnst Sep 2017 #132

Yes, HRC's contact with Mothers of the Movement was well organized. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #140

And very much appreciated. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #141

OK, but right now they (DACA beneficiaries) should be spending time helping Mexico haveahart Sep 2017 #43

No they shouldn't nor could they...the GOP is in charge, and they probably won't send aid. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #52

Um...you do know these are people brought here as kids Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #71

You mean you think Dreamers should leave the country, just when their status ehrnst Sep 2017 #133

I would be willing to bet this is RWNJ's / russian agitators and not DREAMers.. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #53

Thanks Harmony saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #54

After seeing what happened to a pathway to citizenship in '07, and Trumps actions on DACA, Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #56

I found interrupting Nancy's event in that LOUD disgusting, non-understandable screaming offensive Rene Sep 2017 #58

wow...its always better to characterize then to try to understand. These people are at huge risk. JCanete Sep 2017 #64

And they have been duped into believing that Pelosi doesn't support DACA. ehrnst Sep 2017 #87

You're right of course, but I didn't realize I was spewing bile, except perhaps by suggesting the JCanete Sep 2017 #90

It must have been tough for Ms White Privilege to have to deal Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #72

Who are you calling "Ms White Privilege?" Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #91

So we are pretending Pelosi doesn't have white privilege? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #105

Susan Sarandon was there? Or Jill Stein? ehrnst Sep 2017 #94

Yes. Only certain white people have white privilege. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #107

Well someone convinced these kids that Pelosi wasn't on their side ehrnst Sep 2017 #108

And that means she doesn't have white privilege? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #109

So you think that she deserved the attack ehrnst Sep 2017 #116

Like I said, wake me when they start pissing on GOP public events Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #61

Very good points... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #127

So these people aren't Dreamers? MGKrebs Sep 2017 #66

So why were they organized by someone to denounce Pelosi? ehrnst Sep 2017 #93

Many of the people in this thread need to check their privilege a little Kentonio Sep 2017 #78

DACA kids point of view CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #79

Thanks for posting JonLP24 Sep 2017 #129

Nobody worried about Nancy's feelings treestar Sep 2017 #83

Morals and law are not the same thing Kentonio Sep 2017 #88

The DACA kids were duped into protesting someone who is on their side. ehrnst Sep 2017 #89

Funny, this didnt used to be a problem. In the past you wouldnt see groups far better represented Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #92

I'll just leave this here: Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #142

I don't care about their excuses...the Dems are the only way to save the DACA kids and this sort of Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #86

The simple question to ask is: "how will this action help"? brooklynite Sep 2017 #97

I'll Go With No ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #106

President Obama tried to get an Immigration Reform Bill passed Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #110

I think they protested the correct person. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #121

This is so crazy. ananda Sep 2017 #123

The protesters customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #139