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In reply to the discussion: Interesting development (or maybe not): Zimmerman implicated in molestation of younger relative [View all]pipoman
(16,038 posts)38. You are not understanding anything I am saying correctly..
So, you're equating a history of criminal behavior, violence and sexual assault, to trivial matters such as - most people know someone who doesn't like them? Am I understanding you correctly?
My whole post is an attempt to illustrate how this and every criminal case evolves...in real life, in every jurisdiction outside of CA. I have made no proclamations. This is about snatching you from the grasp of CSI and the OJ trial to the reality of our criminal justice system..outside of CA. For instance, this will probably be a 4-7 day trial, neither side will be calling 250 witnesses.
Your wiki link proves my point.."litigant" is a word used in civil cases. Read on down the page..seems there is a paragraph about criminal application..
How can you make such a claim?
It's not a claim, it is a direct quote from the article you linked to..
"Uhm, I'm not here to try the case. I'm here to discuss it. The "news stories" are based upon the "evidence" that has been released and includes depositions, witness statements, police reports etc. Thus the report entitled "Witness 9" claims George Zimmerman sexually molested her" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57472994-504083/george-zimmerman-witness-9-claims-trayvon-martin-shooter-sexually-molested-her/
Where does it say anything about depositions? Witness statements and police reports..yep..It is raw data. It is criminal discovery. The volume of reports will fill many file boxes, the statements of hundreds of people. Yet the trial transcript with exhibits won't fill one. The prosecution will call less than 20 witnesses total (probably a lot less). Most have already been dismissed by prosecutors for reasons similar to those examples used in my posts, but they will not tell the defense what they will use and what they won't. They will release a witness list as the trial draws near. The witness list will be people summoned to testify in the case, most will never be called to the stand. If the defense is good, they will have already spoken to every witness and know what they will be saying (this is where poor defendants really get hurt, no money for a good investigation). The defense will develop a strategy based on information about the prosecutions case as it becomes available.
People don't like the criminal defense, without them our justice system would be impossible. In many ways our criminal justice system is a very complex game...it is beyond comprehension to some people..
My whole post is an attempt to illustrate how this and every criminal case evolves...in real life, in every jurisdiction outside of CA. I have made no proclamations. This is about snatching you from the grasp of CSI and the OJ trial to the reality of our criminal justice system..outside of CA. For instance, this will probably be a 4-7 day trial, neither side will be calling 250 witnesses.
Your wiki link proves my point.."litigant" is a word used in civil cases. Read on down the page..seems there is a paragraph about criminal application..
How can you make such a claim?
It's not a claim, it is a direct quote from the article you linked to..
"Uhm, I'm not here to try the case. I'm here to discuss it. The "news stories" are based upon the "evidence" that has been released and includes depositions, witness statements, police reports etc. Thus the report entitled "Witness 9" claims George Zimmerman sexually molested her" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57472994-504083/george-zimmerman-witness-9-claims-trayvon-martin-shooter-sexually-molested-her/
Where does it say anything about depositions? Witness statements and police reports..yep..It is raw data. It is criminal discovery. The volume of reports will fill many file boxes, the statements of hundreds of people. Yet the trial transcript with exhibits won't fill one. The prosecution will call less than 20 witnesses total (probably a lot less). Most have already been dismissed by prosecutors for reasons similar to those examples used in my posts, but they will not tell the defense what they will use and what they won't. They will release a witness list as the trial draws near. The witness list will be people summoned to testify in the case, most will never be called to the stand. If the defense is good, they will have already spoken to every witness and know what they will be saying (this is where poor defendants really get hurt, no money for a good investigation). The defense will develop a strategy based on information about the prosecutions case as it becomes available.
People don't like the criminal defense, without them our justice system would be impossible. In many ways our criminal justice system is a very complex game...it is beyond comprehension to some people..
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Interesting development (or maybe not): Zimmerman implicated in molestation of younger relative [View all]
TalkingDog
Jul 2012
OP
I don't understand how this is connected to the trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin.
enough
Jul 2012
#2
Much of the prosecution's case seems to be based on impugning Zimmerman's character
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#17
Well it certainly points to a personality that will abuse others....and children??? You for real?
SugarShack
Jul 2012
#52
But when asked about it, she didn't provide any examples of how Zimmerman supposedly was
LisaL
Jul 2012
#10
"Think about the police interviewing every person you have ever known and asking them questions..."
mzmolly
Jul 2012
#29
"When someone is in their 30's, nothing that they did while a juvenile really says anything ...
mzmolly
Jul 2012
#21
Are you meaning only "legally" that nothing a person did as a juvi says anything about them...
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#54
Thank you. Seems many DUers are meaning in real life which is different as in real life of course
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#57
Though, if you are having fun snarking back and forth up there, have at it.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#62
For the record, I am capable of reading all the replies in this thread but thank you for trying to
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#65
Oh, I read them all. Just came to a different conclusion after clarifying a few things.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#67
I said above that I didn't feel the accusations were admissible in a court of law.
mzmolly
Jul 2012
#68
Which is why I asked and clarified. I was ready to jump his shit, but clarified and understand
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#69
I don't think it will even come up in a trial. I only posted it because it may speak
TalkingDog
Jul 2012
#9
Probably not, but the defense will have to explicitly move for it to be ruled as inadmissable
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#18
good point, they're trying to protect him from the beginning, when he ignored law enforcement
SugarShack
Jul 2012
#53