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Hortensis

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71. Except for the Clintons (special cases, surely?), huge-scale swiftboating was new.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:31 PM
Sep 2017

Who would have thought a true hero's and patriot's record could be so effectively turned againsthim on a national scale? Political scientists, and we, learned a great deal from that about certain elements on the right (and sadly some of us on the left also).

For all too many their vaunted "values" and patriotism really, truly were mere postures. No matter how sincere this type believed they were, given new leadership who instructed new positions, the old principles were changed out/abandoned as readily as wet clothes for dry.

All verifying the theory that large percentage of people don't choose their party and leaders to support preexisting principles, the way we always thought. Instead, they align with a group they identify with and then adopt the leader's ideology and positions. If the leader changes, their "beliefs" change right along with the leader. Scary! Plus, too many people simply don't know enough to have an ideology, and ignorance and emotional reactions add up to a critical weakness that allows easy manipulation.

Which certainly explains a lot about the trumpsters.

Speaking of, would all the people who grew up in that Kool-Aid drenched era and who are now saying "omg no!" here be able to speak 2 knowledgeable sentences of explanation why? Give it a try: Talk to yourselves and find out if you'd care to repeat it into a mike if stopped for one of those dumb-jerk-on-the-street interviews.

It's okay to want younger, newer people, but shouldn't it be based on more than emotional reaction? What kind of president might John Kerry be? (Not to confuse with Bob Kerrey, who was also a senator and also served in the VN war. It would help if one of them were named Adolphus or Rohan).

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Oh please don't n/t cyclonefence Sep 2017 #1
We could do a lot worse. haveahart Sep 2017 #77
Yeah, well BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #2
Might as well throw Al Gore into the hopper while we're at it... Purveyor Sep 2017 #6
FRITZ MOTHERFUCKIN MONDALE, Y'ALL!!!!! Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #55
YO! BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #56
Heck, Jimmy Carter is legally allowed to run. Yavin4 Sep 2017 #67
Lol. From Kerry's interview yesterday with Rolling Stone: Hortensis Sep 2017 #74
I saw that! At the wrap up of their interview, Joe said to Kerry... PearliePoo2 Sep 2017 #3
I like John Kerry and all, but this would not go well. bearsfootball516 Sep 2017 #4
I agree NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #7
Well, he should rule it out Orrex Sep 2017 #5
He allowed himself to be "swift boated" Joe941 Sep 2017 #8
"allowed himself" karynnj Sep 2017 #17
That is a very good recount of exactly what happened. Joe941 Sep 2017 #21
They hit back hard when the liars first appeared in April -- and that is when they did the hard karynnj Sep 2017 #25
Your last paragraph. IdealsAndReal42 Sep 2019 #80
Except for the Clintons (special cases, surely?), huge-scale swiftboating was new. Hortensis Sep 2017 #71
It broke my fucking heart watching these so-called fellow soldiers tear him up with lies... Old Vet Sep 2017 #49
i wrote to the Vietnam Veterans of America when the Swift Boating started maxsolomon Sep 2017 #46
This is a crock of shit. moda253 Sep 2017 #61
The swift boat fiasco is probably what cost him the election. Joe941 Sep 2017 #70
Probably not -- polling showed no one likely to vote for him believed the liars by November karynnj Sep 2017 #78
I like him and voted for him 2004. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #9
Kerry is three years younger than Bernie. 73 vs. 76 today. Both are too old to run. Justice Sep 2017 #10
OMG YOU AGEIST maxsolomon Sep 2017 #47
Anyone would do that -- male, female, young, or old karynnj Sep 2017 #57
Kerry and Biden are OLD. Like Trump. Like Sanders. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #59
What then is the eldest age you think would be yet young enough LanternWaste Sep 2017 #66
FFS, DU is such a Retirement Home nowadays. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #68
Read Kerry's quotes and you will see why there is no article elsewhere karynnj Sep 2017 #11
Well actually there is now. From "The Hill"... Purveyor Sep 2017 #19
Doubtful he'd run again DeminPennswoods Sep 2017 #65
That is definitely a group with real experience and competence. Running a nation Hortensis Sep 2017 #73
They say this stuff to keep themselves relevant. femmocrat Sep 2017 #12
Or maybe it's click bait headlines and lazy reporters JI7 Sep 2017 #13
Right! femmocrat Sep 2017 #14
Did you watch the video linked in the OP. I never heard him say "no", what I heard him say is Purveyor Sep 2017 #18
because nobody seriously thinks he will run JI7 Sep 2017 #20
I don't think many have even given it a thought until now and John could Purveyor Sep 2017 #23
I sure hope not. cwydro Sep 2017 #15
Kerry is someone I could really get behind. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #16
Another re-run? I kinda want Truman to run in 2020. Bengus81 Sep 2017 #22
look at the entire interview and it is completely clear that Kerry treated it as the joke it was karynnj Sep 2017 #24
He should have just said "no" then. He didn't... eom Purveyor Sep 2017 #26
Did you what the video? karynnj Sep 2017 #29
I watched it live and again the video that I linked in the OP. It is what it is and until John Purveyor Sep 2017 #36
AGE! AGE! AGE! bobbieinok Sep 2017 #27
fuck putin...... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #28
Well... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #30
He would have won against Trump. eom Purveyor Sep 2017 #37
I liked John Kerry, but please no awesomerwb1 Sep 2017 #31
Great guy -- but his 04 campaign didn't work well, and I won't support him in the 20 primaries struggle4progress Sep 2017 #32
Kerry, Gore, Hillary. All deserve another shot. nt oasis Sep 2017 #33
Disagree. Time for new blood. Vinca Sep 2017 #34
There will be an urgent need to repair U.S. Govt. apparatus. Trump's oasis Sep 2017 #39
The other day a talking head on MSNBC said something that is very, very true. Vinca Sep 2017 #41
Perhaps Kamala Harris, Xavier Becerra, ect. as VP to oasis Sep 2017 #45
Obama could not have done more because he was sabatoged by the GOP. Vinca Sep 2017 #53
No, no and no. Time for new leadership. Kamala Harris and Joe Kennedy Jr. sarcasmo Sep 2017 #43
Gotta have someone who knows their way around Washington. oasis Sep 2017 #48
I could support Sec. of State Kerry in 2020 Gothmog Sep 2017 #35
The hostility against Kerry on this thread is interesting, interesting indeed. eom Purveyor Sep 2017 #38
Being "younger than Bernie Sanders" is hardly a reason to support someone for the 2020 nomination DFW Sep 2017 #40
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #42
Oh, goody. Another elderly man in his 70s. That's just what we needed. BlueStater Sep 2017 #44
I think I'd go for a President Kerry Bradical79 Sep 2017 #50
No! No! No! No! No! democratisphere Sep 2017 #51
Go Away John! SoCalMusicLover Sep 2017 #52
No MoonRiver Sep 2017 #54
Too old but if he won the nomination, I'd certainly support and vote for him. Kaleva Sep 2017 #58
Please no. alarimer Sep 2017 #60
I rule it out Renew Deal Sep 2017 #62
Hell no! Shit no! Fuck no? maveric Sep 2017 #63
dubya beat him like a rented mule. yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2017 #64
Only by 3 Million votes TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #72
Actually only by a small margin in Ohio -- the election is not based on the popular vote karynnj Sep 2017 #75
We need a party rule. If you've run once and lost, you can't run again. LittleBlue Sep 2017 #69
I'd vote for him again. He'd make a fine president. ffr Sep 2017 #76
why would the party of the future... Softail1 Sep 2017 #79
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