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Hortensis

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44. Of course trust has lessened, disappointment huge that they came through with 94% (!!!)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 10:00 AM

Sep 2017

vote for Hillary, but for naught due to conservative and far-left Democrats who voted Republican, or not at all.

But the header is dishonest. It implies that an alternative to the Democratic Party is being considered by large numbers but doesn't exactly name what that would be. Are large numbers of black conservatives going to register Republican perhaps?

There's certainly nothing new in feeling the party has not come through for them as they would wish, but no one always knew that better than these particular women. Seems like the larger danger after this severe setback is that the alternative for some will be not bothering to vote, or agitating against both from outside, like the fringe lefties who voted Green.

Collapse of hope for the power of a unified black bloc operating through the Democratic Party would be a great victory for the right.

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Survey: Fewer black women say that the Democratic Party 'best represents' their interests [View all] ehrnst Sep 2017 OP

I could have told ya that! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #1

Yeah, no kidding!! It doesn't help, all this talk by Sen. Schumer and others... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #81

The white male left is driving that push to the right. ehrnst Sep 2017 #89

Another bogus survey. Why even post such crap. brush Sep 2017 #2

Why do you say it's "bogus?" (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #3

It says right in the Op that the results are not representative of Black women across the country. brush Sep 2017 #4

That statement is precisely what gives it credibility. ehrnst Sep 2017 #6

You think that statement makes it credible? brush Sep 2017 #7

Apparently you didn't bother to read the article at the link before refuting what's not even in it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #8

A higher percentage? What percentage is it? .00000000001%? Come on. It's not worthy of DU. brush Sep 2017 #9

So you're not going to own that you didn't even read it before firing off a rant. ehrnst Sep 2017 #10

I own I read what you posted. There's a paywall. brush Sep 2017 #13

Um.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #14

This is the part you should highlight. brush Sep 2017 #15

Um... ehrnst Sep 2017 #18

Can be divisive and used as a repug talking point (Black women unhappy with Dems). brush Sep 2017 #21

How would you even know if you didn't read it? ehrnst Sep 2017 #25

What's the higher percentage then? I ask again, is it even measurable? brush Sep 2017 #27

You have no idea what you are talking about ehrnst Sep 2017 #29

Do you really think the premise of the survey is accurate? brush Sep 2017 #30

Do you even know that the premise of the survey is? ehrnst Sep 2017 #31

If the higher percentage, as claimed, is not measurable, what's the point? brush Sep 2017 #32

Your question makes no sense in relation to the article that you have not read. ehrnst Sep 2017 #33

You keep avoiding answering that question. brush Sep 2017 #34

Tell me who said that they were. ehrnst Sep 2017 #36

Didn't your excerpt say that a higher percentage of AA women were not happy? brush Sep 2017 #39

Nice try. Tell me where it said they were leaving the party. ehrnst Sep 2017 #42

Still waiting for the answer to where I said "AA women are going to leave the party." ehrnst Sep 2017 #79

I said "AA women are not about to leave the Democratic Party." brush Sep 2017 #83

Nice try, honey. You need to get it straight. ehrnst Sep 2017 #84

Is there a comprehension problem? I said AA women aren't leaving the party. brush Sep 2017 #111

There's also "open link in incognito mode"... moriah Sep 2017 #46

I gave him those instructions. ehrnst Sep 2017 #47

You gave me those instructions? brush Sep 2017 #50

Probably not in those exact words, but you guys were sparring. moriah Sep 2017 #56

Thank you again. brush Sep 2017 #61

Yes. Another post you clearly didn't bother to read before replying to. ehrnst Sep 2017 #59

Thank you. I'll try it. brush Sep 2017 #48

Because no self-selected group can be viewed as representative of anyone pnwmom Sep 2017 #66

"Why do you feel that the opinions of a group of black women aren't a worthy subject of a survey? " NobodyHere Sep 2017 #67

Self-selected survey participants equals bad results that are not meaningful elehhhhna Sep 2017 #62

I agree that the survey is not meaningful and that the small sample size makes the results... brush Sep 2017 #64

You insisted it said that AA women were "leaving the Party." ehrnst Sep 2017 #68

Give it a rest. You see I'm not the only one who thinks it's not meaningful. brush Sep 2017 #70

I'm not the one on this thread buying Strawmen by the dozen, and didn't even read the article. ehrnst Sep 2017 #71

Embarrassed? By a meaningless survey, hardly. brush Sep 2017 #75

Gonna stonewall that you had no clue what was in that survey when you fired off rants about it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #76

Don't have to. Your excerpt was enough to show that the survey claimed an unmeasurable percentage. brush Sep 2017 #77

Nope. You claimed it said that AA women were leaving the party. ehrnst Sep 2017 #82

They are claiming that this shift is "leftward." ehrnst Sep 2017 #69

The article addresses that. ehrnst Sep 2017 #72

While this isn't a scientific poll, the point it makes is one the party can't afford to ignore. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #5

Non scientific poll means it's pointless. n/t kcr Sep 2017 #96

Anecdotes are not data, but having heard the same sentiment from black women within and WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #98

Their voices should be heard, as should all voices. kcr Sep 2017 #100

What is the DNC doing? Lonestarblue Sep 2017 #11

I had no idea that this would turn into a critique of the the DNC website color pallette... ehrnst Sep 2017 #17

for 2020 I would love to have woman run for Pres & VP and set the Pres/VP team very early primary. Sunlei Sep 2017 #12

But then if you get someone who jumps in later..... ehrnst Sep 2017 #19

doesn't matter. Ds need someone NOW helping push back against Rs currently elected. Sunlei Sep 2017 #24

Campaign finance laws and rules kick in the minute you announce ehrnst Sep 2017 #35

It doesn't help that the only voters who are worthy of media attention Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #16

. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #102

Again, I say this to all who attack the Democratic Party or feel it is not 'good enough', Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

Which is why the AA women are still with the party, ehrnst Sep 2017 #22

They have a brain unlike others I could but won't mention. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

You mean even though of all groups the DNC does NOT represent as well as they should Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #103

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #26

I agree rock Sep 2017 #28

It's time to elect one to shatter some glass ceilings IronLionZion Sep 2017 #37

She's alreading being savaged by the brocialists with NEVERKAMALA ehrnst Sep 2017 #38

Who cares what they think IronLionZion Sep 2017 #40

Yeah, we saw how that worked with HRC on the far left. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #41

To be fair angrychair Sep 2017 #49

If you follow the hashtag ehrnst Sep 2017 #57

I dont dispute it exists angrychair Sep 2017 #74

Yep, I ran across it at an alleged liberal youtube chat for a liberal (alleged) host. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #105

My leading contender right now angrychair Sep 2017 #55

Not surprised. I have heard grumblings since a large group of dems have lunasun Sep 2017 #43

Of course trust has lessened, disappointment huge that they came through with 94% (!!!) Hortensis Sep 2017 #44

The article clarifies that they are not leaving the party, but they feel that neither party ehrnst Sep 2017 #45

Wouldn't have to read it to know that. :) The dishonest header is what I spoke to. Hortensis Sep 2017 #53

Here's an alternate header on the survey from The Root ehrnst Sep 2017 #95

Lol. Sorry, even more dishonest. But funny. Hortensis Sep 2017 #97

Just had this discussion with my daughter. It's mostly black women under 60 who feel that way. haveahart Sep 2017 #51

Mmmmm, can we now quit with thinking that white dudes are going to all american girl Sep 2017 #52

Sadly True Me. Sep 2017 #54

Re: "white male voters who have not supported the Democratic Party for 50 years" nycbos Sep 2017 #58

The party is confusing their white male donors with the white male base elehhhhna Sep 2017 #63

What do you mean? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #65

Still waiting for a clarification on what you mean ehrnst Sep 2017 #73

Focusing on white people who voted for Trump Bettie Sep 2017 #60

Bs on this poll and article kimbutgar Sep 2017 #78

Nope. Not Bs at all. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #88

As a black women I took offense to the article kimbutgar Sep 2017 #110

The Electoral College map is the problem treestar Sep 2017 #80

How does that impact how AA women feel about the Democratic party ehrnst Sep 2017 #87

We have to win the states treestar Sep 2017 #90

So you think that they don't understand what is going on ehrnst Sep 2017 #91

Well if he has to meet with them to keep them treestar Sep 2017 #92

No one said that the Democrats would lose AA women if Perez didn't meet with them ehrnst Sep 2017 #94

Most of us do treestar Sep 2017 #99

"I don't know how much time Perez should spend with each type of voter" ehrnst Sep 2017 #101

The one thing I bet a months salary on is you will NEVER hear black women say this: Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #106

Everyone calling this thread bs is sticking their head in the sand about this isssue. I said SweetieD Sep 2017 #85

It seems to be much easier to dismiss the opinions of AA women as "not being meaningful" ehrnst Sep 2017 #86

And yet black women did the right thing, they showed up in DROVES and all voted for Hillary Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #107

People didn't show up in droves. Overall black voted turn out was down. Of the people who did SweetieD Sep 2017 #113

Certainly there is a concerted effort BainsBane Sep 2017 #93

Good read. Thanks for sharing. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #104

If demographic groups within the party HeartachesNhangovers Sep 2017 #108

I am not surprised Gothmog Sep 2017 #109

Success and money can change people, as the songs go. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #112