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24. I'm very grateful for all you do. But the words we use are important. Can you tell me why you'd

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:39 PM

Sep 2017

Describe the ACA as an evil? I had a similar conversation with a friend who said "she hated Obama" and then admitted, when we went down the list, that she believed he was the best president since Carter. So we talked a bit about how she could be misrepresenting her feelings- and she hates the gridlock and partisanship more than anything.

But she had going around yelling I hate Obama. When she hated the GOP much much more. I think that's pretty thoughtless and when obviously intelligent and caring people (including you here) use over simplistic rhetoric like hate and evil when it's not what they mean... it just contributes to disengagement, both- siderism, and that ilk. Our minor differences have been deviously exploited (and still are) and using hateful words toward decent policy is a mistake we shouldn't make.

I sincerely apologize but I think using the word evil there is walking into their trap. I'm sure you didn't mean it.

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The problem is, if we're having a debate, we need people to CHAMPION the ACA. [View all] pnwmom Sep 2017 OP

I know it's above and beyond you, but try a visit to a Bernie site. dogman Sep 2017 #1

Is he attacking the Gop murdercare bill only? We need an ACA champion too... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

Bernie is a socialist. kentuck Sep 2017 #2

Democratic socialists are NOT socialists. CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #49

Meh, the GOPer politicians already know how they'll vote leftstreet Sep 2017 #3

GOP voters are terrified of taxes, and Cassidy and Graham will terrify them even more. pnwmom Sep 2017 #5

They'll let their kids die to avoid taxes? I doubt it leftstreet Sep 2017 #10

They always think it's other people's kids. And they won't care what happens to the blue states, pnwmom Sep 2017 #11

don't doubt it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61

PNW, the GOP "reps" have months to bring voters around. But those who fail their donors Hortensis Sep 2017 #17

The Goppers, The Republucres know/have an idea how they'll sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #14

He isn't. He won't. He probably can't. And that's a tactical error... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #4

Help! I need a Nurse! 🤒 Hahah. 😘 sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #16

No one wants to Champion the ACA because... Joe941 Sep 2017 #6

MANY would want to champion the ACA. Bernie was one who was invited. pnwmom Sep 2017 #8

This is not true. Dems ARE championing it and the ACA has become very popular with the public!!! bettyellen Sep 2017 #12

Are ALL our Democratic representatives in sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #13

The ACA, having saved millions of lives and made many healthier is not "an evil" and we need to stop bettyellen Sep 2017 #15

All right, so that's the phraseology I used. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #19

Words matter. This "lesser of two evil" crap gave us Trump because too many "progressives" used that bettyellen Sep 2017 #20

You have pushed my button. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #23

I'm very grateful for all you do. But the words we use are important. Can you tell me why you'd bettyellen Sep 2017 #24

Ai, Chihuahua! sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #31

Oh man, now I am twice as sorry. I used to be able to detect sarcasm, but no more. Up has been down bettyellen Sep 2017 #40

Peace be unto you, my sister/brother in humanity. eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #45

And to you as well. This "new normal" too, shall pass. With our help, these dark days will leave and bettyellen Sep 2017 #48

Look, betty, I inadvertantly responded to your post and not one above. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #22

No worries. I explained a little better above. We need to be together on this and am glad to hear we bettyellen Sep 2017 #26

Hay, this rejoinder exchange troubled my spirit also. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #30

For the purposes of the debate on Monday, the legislation under discussion is the ACA and... George II Sep 2017 #56

Was replying to Joe above. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #68

1. The ACA didn't and doesn't set premiums. 2. The GOP has NO INTENTION of lowering them! What, WinkyDink Sep 2017 #28

I can't afford it either burnbaby Sep 2017 #29

Yup, this. The ACA has some real problems Arazi Sep 2017 #35

The good news is burnbaby Sep 2017 #53

Wrong wrong and wrong...did you see the crowds calling for the ACA to fixed and saved? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

Problems can be fixed. And if you think "single-payer" will have no problems, think again. haveahart Sep 2017 #69

I am worried because of Bernie's limited debate skills. My hopes rest with Klobuchar. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #7

Me, too. She's a stronger debater and less likely to be baited. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #9

Limited debate skills? karynnj Sep 2017 #21

The better debater did shine. She won the primary by 4 million votes. pnwmom Sep 2017 #33

I know she won and I praised her debate skills and her resume karynnj Sep 2017 #37

Sorry. but Hillary did shine. She won each and every debate lunamagica Sep 2017 #57

I SAID she did, but that does not mean Sanders did poorly karynnj Sep 2017 #58

This isn't going to be a debate. It's winning in the court of public Arazi Sep 2017 #32

If he lets himself get baited into defending his single payer plan instead of the ACA pnwmom Sep 2017 #36

Nothing Bernie says on Monday will influence his colleagues' vote Arazi Sep 2017 #38

He won't win more people to our side on the ACA if he's talking about single payer. pnwmom Sep 2017 #39

Bernie is doing both: working to save the ACA Arazi Sep 2017 #43

I hope you're right. We need them to succeed. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #44

It could influence Republicans votes...thus leading to passage of murdercare. If that happens Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

Bernie was on the HELP committee and wrote at least one important piece of ACA karynnj Sep 2017 #18

Bernie and "single-payer" will, IMO, needlessly muddy the current water. (Don't bother with telling WinkyDink Sep 2017 #25

I think most Democrats understand that Obamacare needs some tweaking... kentuck Sep 2017 #27

I'm having difficulty trying VERY hard not to sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #34

The IMMEDIATE question is: how do we SAVE Obamacare, pnwmom Sep 2017 #40

It cannot be repealed. kentuck Sep 2017 #42

I agree, except that wouldn't have to be the choice, if Obamacare pnwmom Sep 2017 #46

Obliterate the 'repeal', saving the Affordable Care Act, sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #47

Now is not the time to discuss it...certainly not at the debates...it can be and must be fixed Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64

Yes it must be really painful for some people here to have Sanders speaking for them. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #50

Bernie is very populist and smart. He explains things clearly and with meaning. applegrove Sep 2017 #51

But will he do this? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #65

Of course he will. applegrove Sep 2017 #66

If...being the operative word...we shall see. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #67

You are right. We need to rescue the ACA now. Single payer can come in later, gradually. Chemisse Sep 2017 #52

That's actually been a long-standing problem in this party...NOBODY defended the ACA. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #54

Hillary has always championed the ACA, and how it can be built upon. pnwmom Sep 2017 #59

Why not Patty Murray who has been working tirelessly across the aisle.... George II Sep 2017 #55

Bernie kicked ass tonight. Wish you'd consider deleting this eom Arazi Sep 2017 #70