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Expecting Rain

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10. It is very (very) hard to take away benefits once they are established,

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:44 PM

Sep 2017

whether one calls them rights (as on the left) or entitlements (as on the right).

So positive incrementalism isn't a bad thing in the "turning of a battleship" that represents 25% of the US economy.

For a more dramatic change of course, it would require more fully vetted plans than we have now. I think it is true that the political winds have shifted towards a greater openness to single payer. But those gains are soft ones without hard numbers.

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How single payer helps Republicans change the subject [View all] ehrnst Sep 2017 OP

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #1

K AND R FOR EXPOSURE AND DEBATE DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #2

We should never talk about it. theaocp Sep 2017 #3

I didn't see that at all from the post ehrnst Sep 2017 #5

It is the wrong time now. Save the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

K&R sheshe2 Sep 2017 #4

Truth. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #6

I wish everyone would call it Medicare For All, as it's named n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #7

That is the name of a specific bill, not the term for the system. ehrnst Sep 2017 #9

It's what Sanders and the co-sponsors call it leftstreet Sep 2017 #26

I know exactly why Sanders chose it. Medicare is popular. That's good marketing. Good politics. ehrnst Sep 2017 #27

No matter what you call it... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #12

It's what Sanders and the co-sponsors call it n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #25

Honestly, I am very angry with all of them. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

The article uses correct terminology, as would be applied to any such bill. ehrnst Sep 2017 #32

Thank You Me. Sep 2017 #8

It is very (very) hard to take away benefits once they are established, Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #10

But that's not a post that will get applause. ehrnst Sep 2017 #13

I'd make a very lousy populist demagogue. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #15

Why do you hate progress? ehrnst Sep 2017 #16

nonsense. you don't decide that. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

I agree. brer cat Sep 2017 #17

True. And the "Medicare for All" bill as proposed is different than Medicare as it is. ehrnst Sep 2017 #24

K&R Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #11

The ACA is the farthest down the road we have ever been to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #14

Home now...can type better...hubs had last interview today...and they knew he had an offer so Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29

Just heard pundit say debate bad idea. On cell Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18

Good article, ehrnst. brer cat Sep 2017 #19

The ACA is/was market oriented. kentuck Sep 2017 #22

Actually, it's a series of regulations that limits and directs the market in many ways ehrnst Sep 2017 #23

It could work with some tweaks and it is all we have and if goes it is all we ever had. There is no Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30

The vast majority of countries with universal health care have Public/private hybrids ehrnst Sep 2017 #31

Exactly. Germany has a similar system to the ACA...we would need strong price controls on Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #33

And where did campaigning on a popular idea at the time get the rethugs? LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #34

They campaigned to get rid of something...they found a common enemy. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #37

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #35

A lot of stupid people are still opposed to one big government plan. A Public Option Hoyt Sep 2017 #36

That is a good idea...let people buy into Medicare. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38

This is playing right into Republican hands CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #39

No one is stopping discussion of Single Payer & we should NOT be censoring health policy experts ehrnst Sep 2017 #40