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DFW

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86. Two things
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 04:30 PM
Sep 2017

Most of us here in Europe attribute better longevity mainly to diet. We see American tourists here by the boatload, and at least half of them are so obese, wearing shorts to accentuate it, to boot, it hurts to look at them. And where do they go to eat? McDonald's, ordering heaps of fries, downing them with Coke. Even the best health care in the world won't save you if you insist on committing slow dietary suicide. A few dozen million people like that, and of course our statistical average longevity goes down. You won't see anywhere near so many obese Europeans, and nor do so many of them have such awful dietary habits. So of course their longevity here looks better as a statistic.

Second, "freedom" is always relative to what you know and what you perceive. A couple of decades ago I persuaded a Marxist German friend of mine to visit me in the USA. One day, we flew from Boston, where I was living at the time, down to northern Virginia, where I was born and originally grew up. We stayed at my parents' house, although they were traveling at the time. Curious, my German friend asked where I had my residence registered with the police. I had no idea what he was talking about, and asked what he meant. He asked me again if my police residence registration was in Virginia or in Massachusetts. I still had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked him to explain. In Germany, it turns out, you have to register your residence with the authorities ("polizeiliche Anmeldung" ). When you move to a town, you have to tell the police that you are moving there. When you leave, you have to tell them you're leaving and where you're moving to. Then you have to register again when you get to your new town. I asked if he was talking about the old East Germany, and he said no, West Germany, now all of Germany. I said we had no such thing. He asked what was the procedure for moving, then? I said you just pack your stuff and move. Tell the post office if you want your mail forwarded, but that was it. He was just floored. He was so positive we had some strict Soviet-style control over who lived where and when. He said, wow, that is freedom. I said no, it's more like your system is a lack of it.

When I moved my permanent residence to Germany, I had to go through this too. The procedure was handled by an office in the town hall, plus registering as a "resident foreigner," though once I proved I was not going to ask for welfare, had a steady job that was in the USA, and already spoke fluent German, they gave me my "green" card (it's not green here) in 2 months. After all, they got to cash in 50% of my income for doing nothing and give me zero in return. What could be a better deal for them? But I did ask what was with the police residence registry, and they explained it was so they could keep track of potential criminals. Ah! I get it--in Germany you think every citizen is a potential criminal, so you keep a close eye on everyone. In the States, I explained, the State assumes that you are probably not a criminal, and so we had no such system. Of course, with the internet, all that is sort of passé, but the mentality that set it up in the first place has not gone anywhere.

As for your income, your civil status and your place of residence both play a big part in whether you are comfortable or not. If you live somewhere in rural Vermont or North Dakota, or Iowa, or some similar place, and are single, then a salary like $45,000 is probably adequate to live on. However, if you live in Manhattan and are married and have two children, a gross salary of $75000 will leave you scrambling and penny-pinching to make ends meet. One can't go picking numbers out of a hat and pointing fingers without asking for the full picture. There are certainly parts of the USA where a gross salary of $110,000 is no life of luxury for a family, especially with school-age or college-age children. If they live in Manhattan, that will leave them, after federal, state and City tax, somewhere around a net of $65,000 to live on, or about $16,250 per person per year. From this comes rent, food, tuition, clothing, public transportation, etc etc etc, and all that at NY prices, with the 8.25% (or whatever it is now) sales tax on most things. Someone in that situation will definitely not be taking the family to Hawaii for two weeks or buying a new Mercedes to run up the Hudson Valley on weekends.

I know a little about this, as I have a daughter who lives and works in Manhattan. She makes nowhere near six figures, and after all the local taxes, she has enough to live on, but her trips home or to visit her sister or even to take a vacation are all subsidized by the rest of us, because she can't afford them on her own.

I find it a dangerous thing to point fingers at someone whose personal circumstances we don't know and tell them they have too much money. If you think differently, then you are correct, we can't see eye to eye on this.

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Why in the hell isn't McCaskils (sp) idea being floated more? Single payer for pre existing ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #1
I think her idea is brilliant. The far left hates her. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23
So who pays? exboyfil Sep 2017 #66
From the people with the PEC but it'll be affordable vs getting shafted like they would with private uponit7771 Sep 2017 #67
OMG how will the military buy aircraft carriers? leftstreet Sep 2017 #2
The taxes covering that remain the same. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #5
The point is that it will never happen. Anyone that thinks taxes like that are coming is delusional. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24
How much of that rise in taxes is countered by........ socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #3
Here you go HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #6
Another masterstroke by Bernie... gotta love his tenacity and leadership! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #37
There is zero chance an $844 annual premium for 4 people can fund a good healthcare program. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #53
$844 is not funding it, the taxes on the 1% are Not Ruth Sep 2017 #56
Look at Tricare alarimer Sep 2017 #59
Music to my ears Not Ruth Sep 2017 #55
Bingo. Scruffy1 Sep 2017 #91
Sounds good to me HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #4
All sorts of things are actually possible. G_j Sep 2017 #7
voodoo math on this one taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #8
Yeah HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #9
Or perhaps to show you the reality we face...best to save the ACA, next a public option then Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25
The "Everyone Gets a Pony" tax. 6000eliot Sep 2017 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #13
I mean that this is a ridiculous pipe dream at a time when millions are threatened with the loss of 6000eliot Sep 2017 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #18
You are definitely wrong. I've always believed that Medicare for All was the way 6000eliot Sep 2017 #22
It has nothing to do with Sen. Sanders. It just won't happen and millions will lose coverage. There Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26
"Everyone gets a pony" sounds like passing out luxuries for free. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #16
And these things are going to happen now, in the current political atmosphere, how, exactly? 6000eliot Sep 2017 #17
Single payer won't happen... until 20 at least and I don't think even then. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27
Can I keep my 12 ponies and give 4 away snooper2 Sep 2017 #34
If you like your pony, you can keep your pony jberryhill Sep 2017 #51
Ryan and McConnell agree that health care and education are ponies. Orsino Sep 2017 #46
For comparison (Germany) Ezior Sep 2017 #11
Germany also has a 19% VAT nm MichMan Sep 2017 #19
It would be nice if that were the same for everyone in Germany DFW Sep 2017 #69
90% taxes seems excessive Not Ruth Sep 2017 #77
That was my impression as well. DFW Sep 2017 #79
Let's go back to the Make America Great Again tax rates of the 1950's. jalan48 Sep 2017 #12
You have to consider what is possible...50 style taxes will not happen. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28
It was a joke-Trump wants to go back the past and I say let's go back to the tax rate back then. jalan48 Sep 2017 #33
I wish we could go back to those times where everyone had deductions ...not just the rich Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38
No problem-we can do almost anything we want-WE are the government. jalan48 Sep 2017 #40
Sadly, we do not have enough who feel this way. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #41
Can we have just one day without attacks on Bernie Sanders? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #14
I am more annoyed with the attacks on medicare for all m-lekktor Sep 2017 #21
At this point Nevernose Sep 2017 #30
Ridiculous...there is no point in even discussing Medicare for all at this moment as Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #39
"which the GOP will demonize" melman Sep 2017 #47
I want to know how "NO WE CAN'T!" is going to drive people to vote CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #75
thank you. Joe941 Sep 2017 #57
Sounds great to me. roamer65 Sep 2017 #20
Yeah and if we proposed half the stuff suggested here we would lose every election in the forseeable Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29
Like we've been overwhelmingly successful running on status quo.n/t Scruffy1 Sep 2017 #92
Likewise here! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #32
Every state has the right to levy its own version of GST already, and most do. DFW Sep 2017 #80
This is Republican scare mongering CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #31
No. He is doing it wrong KWR65 Sep 2017 #35
Forbes? melman Sep 2017 #36
Forbes is almost as horrid and without LanternWaste Sep 2017 #42
Yeah melman Sep 2017 #43
btw melman Sep 2017 #44
If the top 5% paid their fair share it would be no problem. Coventina Sep 2017 #45
Really? dkhbrit Sep 2017 #48
Yes, I do. The tax brackets have been lowered, and lowered, and lowered over and over again. Coventina Sep 2017 #49
Define 'rich' dkhbrit Sep 2017 #63
If you are in the top 10% you are rich. Coventina Sep 2017 #64
$110k puts you in the top 10% hack89 Sep 2017 #71
Being better off than 90% of your fellow citizens is not rich? Coventina Sep 2017 #72
Not if you live in a high cost area hack89 Sep 2017 #73
I find it hard to muster tears for those making six figures, I confess. Coventina Sep 2017 #74
Making $110K living in Manhattan and making $85K in Waxahatchie, TX DFW Sep 2017 #81
I understand that, but that is something free college and universal healthcare could help to Coventina Sep 2017 #82
Help, but only on a minor basis. DFW Sep 2017 #83
I guess we just can't see eye-to-eye on this. Coventina Sep 2017 #84
Two things DFW Sep 2017 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #68
The top 5% of payers represent 34% of total AGI taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #50
Whatever other countries are doing, especially the Scandinavian ones, that gives them universal Coventina Sep 2017 #65
The people that will be paying more in taxes are the ones who can afford to, the 1% Not Ruth Sep 2017 #52
Stuff has to be paid for, one way or another. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #54
A drop in the bucket compared to $700 BILLION for the military alarimer Sep 2017 #58
If that's true, it's still well worth it. Autumn Sep 2017 #60
So, if I pay $10,000 in taxes, I pay $12,500... and get to eliminate my $10,000 Employer Med Plan? TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #61
If you believe those figures, yes. former9thward Sep 2017 #87
Well, the way the article is presented seems to place a scare that a 25% increase is a bad thing. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #88
Yes, but would it be 25%? former9thward Sep 2017 #89
You gotta start somewhere. But 15%, 25%, 35% or whatever will surely pound the 1%ers. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #90
I find you very entertaining of late. Iggo Sep 2017 #62
Huge thread on this, going in all sorts of directions............ socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #70
So an opinion piece from a pro-business mag is now a fact? Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #76
Since free college isn't being presented GaryCnf Sep 2017 #78
We shouldn't call these things "free" treestar Sep 2017 #85
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