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Demsrule86

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99. Because we are talking about the ACA...single payer is not possible.

Reply to onit2day (Reply #40)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 06:47 PM

Sep 2017

And the GOP is using single payer top try to kill the ACA. This debate is a setup...a trap for Sen. Sanders.

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I have deliberately avoided the Bernie Wars. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 OP

Murdercare cannot be defended virtualobserver Sep 2017 #1

It can't be defended to you and me. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #2

Just don't hold your breath waiting for Dana Bash to call out the lies and bullshit elehhhhna Sep 2017 #30

They should not even mention single payer. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #29

Is Sanders the right pick for this debate? You just know single-payer is going to be brought up... brush Sep 2017 #34

Probably not a setup. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #38

It's not Klobuchar I'm worried about. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #52

And why not.Compared to single payer Graham"s onit2day Sep 2017 #40

All of that is good but most people don't know Democratic Socialism from socialism. brush Sep 2017 #50

All true. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #61

Because we are talking about the ACA...single payer is not possible. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #99

According to the Washington Post, CNN went to Sanders directly, lapucelle Sep 2017 #164

They don't have to address SP, but can they avoid being distracted? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #51

Easily.....the Republican bill is an abomination virtualobserver Sep 2017 #57

He's not a good debater, he gets distracted easily and he doesn't have the facts Ninsianna Sep 2017 #60

give me an example of a poor performance virtualobserver Sep 2017 #62

Every debate is an example. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #67

so, you think that he sucks universally.... virtualobserver Sep 2017 #70

I think he's a poor debater because he cannot effectively form coherent arguments that Ninsianna Sep 2017 #71

No, my point is that he doesn't persuade you....but he persuades millions of others. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #73

If that was your point, you failed to make it. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #76

All you offer is your opinion. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #79

Indeed, one that's backed up by reality that he keeps failing to Ninsianna Sep 2017 #85

you continue to post your opinion, which does not persuade virtualobserver Sep 2017 #86

You continue to post yours that Bernie is a masterdebater Ninsianna Sep 2017 #90

I never said that Bernie was a "masterdebater" virtualobserver Sep 2017 #91

You keep claiming that debate equals persusasion, while ignoring the fact tha this history Ninsianna Sep 2017 #100

Are you for real? Pauldg47 Sep 2017 #124

Are you? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #125

Are you a trusted and beloved US Senator? ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #127

Neither are you, so if I'm to be silenced, I'll have a great deal of comany Ninsianna Sep 2017 #129

Silenced? My odd little rules? ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #133

yeah, that was my reaction to your posts as well. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #134

Those people already agree with him. He is not a good debater. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #101

he persuades virtualobserver Sep 2017 #104

I was a debater...and he is not good. Those who are agree with him are Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #110

He persuaded 18 Senators to sign onto his single payer bill. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #112

Persuaded? I don't think so. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #119

Kirsten Gillibrand thinks so. I'll trust her judgment. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #122

That makes one of us...endorsing a single payer bill during the fight for the ACA has crossed her Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #137

what Gillibrand "gets" is that it is easier to get what you want in a negotiation between A and Z... virtualobserver Sep 2017 #138

She did not want to be attacked as those who have not come out for single payer are on a daily basis Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #141

if you want to believe the worst in people, that is fine. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #142

No, he didn't. They did some political calculations, they didn't succumb to Ninsianna Sep 2017 #128

I quite agree with you. Promee Sep 2017 #121

They've already done so, that whole press conference the other day was attacking Obama and Ninsianna Sep 2017 #130

Oh geeze....here we go again. So tell us.... George II Sep 2017 #77

You are familiar with the polls. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #81

Right, and in none of them is he "the most popular politician in the US". George II Sep 2017 #83

the most popular active politician, then virtualobserver Sep 2017 #84

Than Donald Trump and Mike Pence, and not even very much more than them Ninsianna Sep 2017 #88

That is the way that it works.....You just have to be more popular than everyone else. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #92

Except he never has been. That's why all this jr high school popularity Ninsianna Sep 2017 #105

Not even that. George II Sep 2017 #96

who is more popular, then? virtualobserver Sep 2017 #97

A number of politicians are "popular" among a larger group of voters than him. George II Sep 2017 #98

so, none of them are as popular as Sanders then virtualobserver Sep 2017 #102

Yes they are, and I'm not "playing with words", I'm realistically looking at facts. George II Sep 2017 #109

you are not presenting any facts, you are making assertions virtualobserver Sep 2017 #113

Sorry, YOU have not presented any facts, just a sweeping proclamation about the relative.... George II Sep 2017 #114

I referred to polls......you have not revealed the source of your information. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #115

Well, I originally responded to this: George II Sep 2017 #116

I have shown those polls before, and I am sure that you have seen them. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #117

Here is the methodology of that poll, and the limited, cherry-picked choices for respondents.... George II Sep 2017 #118

I've seen multiple polls this year. Bernie outpolls the field in all of them virtualobserver Sep 2017 #123

Um, yeah, that's kinda why he "wins" all these popularity polls you keep insisting Ninsianna Sep 2017 #126

Right.....polling high with the public is a bad sign. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #135

As you stated, when the small group of people who are compared Ninsianna Sep 2017 #158

you do realize that in order to be popular, people have to know you. virtualobserver Sep 2017 #161

You do realize that this obsession with popularity is rather unhealthy right? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #162

I give him credit for helping the Democratic Party to come to its senses virtualobserver Sep 2017 #163

The party did not require him to "come to their senses" about their own Ninsianna Sep 2017 #165

He didn't win the only poll that mattered. In fact, he lost that poll by millions lunamagica Sep 2017 #132

and yet it is Bernie who is influencing the direction of the Democratic Party... virtualobserver Sep 2017 #136

Bernie Sanders is not the leader nor ever will be of the Democratic Party. He is being Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #143

That is your opinion...I'm with Gillibrand virtualobserver Sep 2017 #145

So, I've demonstrated the mega flaws in your poll, so you go on to other unspecified polls. George II Sep 2017 #155

Multiple polls say that Bernie is the most popular and all the polls are flawed virtualobserver Sep 2017 #156

Well you've only given us one, and it was pointed out how that one was flawed. You countered.... George II Sep 2017 #157

not an insult....just pattern recognition virtualobserver Sep 2017 #159

You forgot to mention lapucelle Sep 2017 #166

Try taking a poll if we lose the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #103

Bernie is the one who has been travelling the country attacking the Republicans for this virtualobserver Sep 2017 #106

No he hasn't...he has been bringing up single payer everywhere... and putting out an ACA replacement Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #108

He has been attacking Republicans for their many "repeal and replace" plans virtualobserver Sep 2017 #111

Graham will get him to attack the ACA wait for it...he talks single payer and attacks the GOP bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #120

harvard national poll in August - he is the most popular active politician in the U.S.: Liberty Belle Sep 2017 #131

Well said. Pointing out the obvious is necessary sometimes. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #107

Great name. Blue_true Sep 2017 #89

THank you. concreteblue Sep 2017 #3

+1 The wars are the same cast of characters over and over. Very boring and counterproductive. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #24

There is no defending this republican abomination workinclasszero Sep 2017 #4

K&R for the support GaryCnf Sep 2017 #5

Obama ran away from the ACA? Are you serious? George II Sep 2017 #7

This is probably a grammar problem on my part GaryCnf Sep 2017 #10

Yes, thanks. George II Sep 2017 #11

Welcome GaryCnf Sep 2017 #12

I read it the wrong way at first so thanks for that. lunasun Sep 2017 #13

I agree marylandblue Sep 2017 #9

But it's so much easier to bash Bernie & not self-reflect on mistakes the Party made. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #17

If Bernie sticks to fixing the ACA and how terrible it is rather then slinging his plan I say GOOD. Old Vet Sep 2017 #36

and he is- heres a direct quote for you- " Sunlei Sep 2017 #56

and here is another quote from 9/18-first one is from 9/19. The man make daily pro ACA statements. Sunlei Sep 2017 #59

This should be a thread OP of its own. klook Sep 2017 #75

start on, go to bernies twitter and he has a bunch of pro ACA statements. what will happen is Sunlei Sep 2017 #78

Bernie HAS been touring the country pushing just that. Maybe folks should concentrate on defeating onecaliberal Sep 2017 #80

now Crispy, remember Bernie himself said only a couple weeks ago- Sunlei Sep 2017 #63

Attack, attack and attack some more...the Democratic Party...the only vehicle for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #144

Thank you! Welcome to DU! And YOU ARE CORRECT!!! Raster Sep 2017 #26

+1000 HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #37

Of course! peggysue2 Sep 2017 #42

You do understand GaryCnf Sep 2017 #58

I hope it doesn't deteriorate into an infomercial for "medicare for all", that is NOT the topic. George II Sep 2017 #6

+1 oasis Sep 2017 #53

Just the facts, mam world wide wally Sep 2017 #8

I saw Bernie debate Ted Cruz Raven123 Sep 2017 #14

I didn't see the Cruz debate, but I haven't been impressed with his debate skills. thesquanderer Sep 2017 #15

But is Bernie defending the ACA or Single Payer? mchill Sep 2017 #21

Sanders isn't promoting single payer leftstreet Sep 2017 #25

Whatever you call it and I don't give two fucks about that...it is not the ACA which is what must Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #146

Not one single HC involved group supports this plan onit2day Sep 2017 #41

I saw it too and reached the same conclusions. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #68

Bernie did great against Ted Cruz CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #140

If I were Bernie or Amy, my question would be to ask both of them to explain the following : Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #16

I love both Amy and Bernie but nevergiveup Sep 2017 #18

Or Al Franken and Howard Dean, an actual doctor. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #31

Howard Dean would have been my top choice wryter2000 Sep 2017 #94

Take the bait? How can he defend his plan attacking onit2day Sep 2017 #43

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #47

Thanks DSB. MontanaMama Sep 2017 #19

Does not matter if Bernie and Klouchbar make them look stupid. standingtall Sep 2017 #20

They know Sanders will have a hard time giving the ACA strong and full throated support. He has to. bettyellen Sep 2017 #33

This is the plan...to make Sen. Sanders denounce the ACA and promote MFA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #147

The GOP is certainly going to try that. I worry that he can't be passionate about it... bettyellen Sep 2017 #154

I worry too...and no doubt they will throw his words back at him. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #168

Hoping for the best as well. Thank you so much for posting. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #22

We need Amy to come through here. She will have to carry the weakest debater in the group. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #23

Yeah, all this bickering between Hillary and Bernie loyalists is pretty depressing. Bucky Sep 2017 #27

Unfortunately, this is a CNN fabricated debate - it's about ratings. LeftInTX Sep 2017 #28

The vote will not turn on this debate. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #32

I will hold every person involved in putting out a single payer/MFA bill at this time, that can't be Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #148

I believe that this will be Bernie's finest hour, so do those who want him to fail Not Ruth Sep 2017 #35

I dont believe anyone wants Bernie to fail, Just represent fixing the ACA like a democratic would... Old Vet Sep 2017 #39

He's already done that in his town halll onit2day Sep 2017 #44

This debate is gonna be prime time, The big time. Theres alot riding on how he represents...... Old Vet Sep 2017 #48

I doubt you'd find less of a fan of Bernie Sanders than I am... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #69

I don't believe anyone wants Bernie to fail here, it's just that we've seen him Ninsianna Sep 2017 #72

Courage! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #45

Thank you for the OP DSB. I've avoided them as well; dae Sep 2017 #46

Its perfectly alright not to like Sanders, Just like Clinton. But at some point........... Old Vet Sep 2017 #49

Not sure what prompted your response. I get the Clinton/Sanders supporters feud, dae Sep 2017 #54

"... the Bernie Wars?" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #55

No it's not. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

Yes, it is left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #65

There's no evidence to support your claim. The primary is over so there are no "one-sided" attacks NurseJackie Sep 2017 #66

"fair and valid criticism" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #167

"one-sided" NurseJackie Sep 2017 #169

This is Democratic Underground Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #160

The sad truth is that this debate won't matter much in the short term. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #74

Sane perspective. Thanks. (nt) klook Sep 2017 #82

While what you say is true wryter2000 Sep 2017 #95

I don't agree. This debate is another distraction, and a way for the GOP to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #149

I have a question about the "distraction" problem that so concerns you. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #150

They are going to do fine in the debate. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #87

Amen to that wryter2000 Sep 2017 #93

If anybody is going to fight about health care on our side CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #139

Bernie and Amy WILL crush... there's a reason single-payer healthcare polls so well. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #151

Bernie is the only one that makes sense to me. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2017 #152

Your positive energy paid off GaryCnf Sep 2017 #153

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #170

Not since the primaries. I regret the time I wasted that I can never get back. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #171

Unfortunately, the only thing they can now do is blow it. gulliver Sep 2017 #172