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ehrnst

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40. No one is stopping discussion of Single Payer & we should NOT be censoring health policy experts
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 08:37 AM
Sep 2017

The OP is discussing Single Payer and the real political ramifications (pro and con) of pushing it now. The Kaiser Family Foundation is a health policy think tank - it's their job to analyze health policy.

We need a much deeper actual discussion of it, not just yelling it as a slogan, with no real understanding of what is actually in it. The slogan yelling is what gives the GOP stupid prizes. "Medicare for all" and it's false comparison to Medicare is going to give the GOP as much ammunition as Obama did when he said, "You can keep your doctor." THAT is what is coming once they point out how different, and vastly more expensive it is than Medicare.


And about polls:

Reality check: Single payer is popular, but polling today doesn't tell us much about where the public will be if there is a national debate about actual single-payer legislation in the Congress. ACA repeal had the support of about half the public in Kaiser Family Foundation polling in late 2016 and early 2017, but fell to closer to 30 percent once there was an replacement plan under the microscope.

Support for single-payer falls by 10 to 20 percentage points when people are read common criticisms, such as that it will increase taxes or give the government too much control over health care. Arguments in favor, including that single payer will make health a basic right or reduce administrative costs, increase support by similar amounts.



So, if the GOP is able to hijack all the slogan yelling about "Medicare for All!" and turn it into "socialized medicine!!" (which it not, any more than it is Medicare) and turn public opinion against it - I highly doubt that you will think negative polls are a reason to reverse your support of it. Remember, they did that with the ACA.

So I would be cautious about using polls as a evidence that "Medicare for All" is or is not feasible.

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K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #1
K AND R FOR EXPOSURE AND DEBATE DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #2
We should never talk about it. theaocp Sep 2017 #3
I didn't see that at all from the post ehrnst Sep 2017 #5
It is the wrong time now. Save the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20
K&R sheshe2 Sep 2017 #4
Truth. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #6
I wish everyone would call it Medicare For All, as it's named n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #7
That is the name of a specific bill, not the term for the system. ehrnst Sep 2017 #9
It's what Sanders and the co-sponsors call it leftstreet Sep 2017 #26
I know exactly why Sanders chose it. Medicare is popular. That's good marketing. Good politics. ehrnst Sep 2017 #27
No matter what you call it... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #12
It's what Sanders and the co-sponsors call it n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #25
Honestly, I am very angry with all of them. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28
The article uses correct terminology, as would be applied to any such bill. ehrnst Sep 2017 #32
Thank You Me. Sep 2017 #8
It is very (very) hard to take away benefits once they are established, Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #10
But that's not a post that will get applause. ehrnst Sep 2017 #13
I'd make a very lousy populist demagogue. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #15
Why do you hate progress? ehrnst Sep 2017 #16
nonsense. you don't decide that. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21
I agree. brer cat Sep 2017 #17
True. And the "Medicare for All" bill as proposed is different than Medicare as it is. ehrnst Sep 2017 #24
K&R Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #11
The ACA is the farthest down the road we have ever been to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #14
Home now...can type better...hubs had last interview today...and they knew he had an offer so Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29
Just heard pundit say debate bad idea. On cell Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18
Good article, ehrnst. brer cat Sep 2017 #19
The ACA is/was market oriented. kentuck Sep 2017 #22
Actually, it's a series of regulations that limits and directs the market in many ways ehrnst Sep 2017 #23
It could work with some tweaks and it is all we have and if goes it is all we ever had. There is no Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30
The vast majority of countries with universal health care have Public/private hybrids ehrnst Sep 2017 #31
Exactly. Germany has a similar system to the ACA...we would need strong price controls on Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #33
And where did campaigning on a popular idea at the time get the rethugs? LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #34
They campaigned to get rid of something...they found a common enemy. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #37
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #35
A lot of stupid people are still opposed to one big government plan. A Public Option Hoyt Sep 2017 #36
That is a good idea...let people buy into Medicare. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38
This is playing right into Republican hands CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #39
No one is stopping discussion of Single Payer & we should NOT be censoring health policy experts ehrnst Sep 2017 #40
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