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Voltaire2

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48. that's not true.

Sat Sep 23, 2017, 05:47 PM

Sep 2017

Plenty of people here have argued against the goal outlined in the Sander's bill. You included. You argue "it's not the right time", and, oddly, "it's too expensive". Oddly because of course as a nation we would realize huge savings by converting our current health care insurance system to a universal public system.

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Bernie Sanders thinks everyone should have health care, what an asshole! [View all] liberalnarb Sep 2017 OP

Ponies and unicorns SHRED Sep 2017 #1

Well, he's not a Democrat, ya know. He even said so himself. pangaia Sep 2017 #2

*GASP!* liberalnarb Sep 2017 #3

Just for clarity... moriah Sep 2017 #12

I must say, it is a pleasure to hear a rational, well thought out exposition. pangaia Sep 2017 #19

I think the far greater detriment of the Big Tent is the Republicans who infiltrated it. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #21

Go talk to Jill Stein and that loser Sarandon...they are the reason we don't have a public option Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Wow, THAT'S not a ridiculous and brazen revising of history or anything . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #25

Those 8 were in cahoots with Stein, Nader, and Sarandon. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #49

Susan Sarandon is now a public official? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #55

Joke fail. Sorry. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #59

Extreme Leftits Deep Stake!! HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #66

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Sep 2017 #39

We would not have a public option right now regardless of WHO was president. pangaia Sep 2017 #40

Why not? We likely would have taken the Senate...it would have been a 'fix' for the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43

You've always hated Bernie! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #53

Susan Sarandon? What? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #54

I hope I made it clear that I don't think Bernie is a bad guy. moriah Sep 2017 #28

Maybe it should go to prove that . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #71

My personal take, being a resident? moriah Sep 2017 #74

Who are you referring to, when you say Republicans who have infiltrated? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #67

Stop being deliberately obtuse. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #72

So you can't name actual real individuals? ehrnst Sep 2017 #73

You can only identify "progressives" as the supposed source of all Democratic problems. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #75

I guess not. ehrnst Sep 2017 #77

too much heaven05 Sep 2017 #76

Fine, but the ends do not justify the means. ucrdem Sep 2017 #4

That is a role he hasn't played, but if it does squeak by, you will say he did. The logic is JCanete Sep 2017 #6

Whether CG passes comes down to a few senators with their fingers in the wind. ucrdem Sep 2017 #7

having nothing to do with Sanders promoting Medicare for all. Nothing. Nobody has forgotten how JCanete Sep 2017 #9

Sorry, that's as simple as it gets. ucrdem Sep 2017 #10

? You made no case at all. Somehow promoting medicare for all makes the republicans think JCanete Sep 2017 #11

No, everybody doesn't know it's shitty. If the electorate was well-informed we wouldn't be in this ucrdem Sep 2017 #14

I strenuously object. chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #18

There has been a serious investment here in the theory Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #52

Sen. Sander's bill gives them cover. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

Exactly. And I think you're probably right about the set-up. ucrdem Sep 2017 #64

I am hoping he rises to the occasion...Graham is a sneaky bastard who pretends to be moderate... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #68

No, he would have played a role by even introducing it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

I Still don't see it, and whether it passes or not, I certainly disagree that there will be no JCanete Sep 2017 #51

It has nothing to do with the American people. It is about providing those GOP wavering senators Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

and if the bill is voted down does Bernie get the credit? pangaia Sep 2017 #20

Not from me, I feel he endangered the ACA by passing MFA during the attempt to save the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

Let me see if I have this straight? You're blaming Bernie for what ONLY republicans are trying to onecaliberal Sep 2017 #26

Thank you CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #56

If bernie turns out to having played a 'small role,' or even a large role, pangaia Sep 2017 #41

One game at a time Awsi Dooger Sep 2017 #5

I have no problem with that, but... Akoto Sep 2017 #8

how dare he....the nerve...and hes not a democrat mentalslavery Sep 2017 #13

And the OP was altered on. Duppers Sep 2017 #15

There is such a thing as chewing gum LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #16

when? I hear much about single payer (bad timing) and about murdercare (good job), Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

Google is your friend LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #35

He mentioned it in the second one provided...not the first and in the last one... he Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #36

This is called a "straw man argument" Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #17

well said... comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #31

Going in circles LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #38

His numbers do add up Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #50

Yep... UNFAIRLY attacking Democrats uponit7771 Sep 2017 #69

There apparently a big sale on them somewhere. ehrnst Sep 2017 #70

So do I...the point is let's not lose what we have for something that can Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

He offers the moon, but doesn't know how to build a rocket to get there. PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #27

Neither did JFK. Didn't stop him from aiming there Arazi Sep 2017 #29

JFK didn't pretend that getting to the moon would be easy or that it could happen in one fell swoop PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #32

Link me to where Bernie said achieving MFA will be easy Arazi Sep 2017 #33

But JFK went to the experts and didn't launch it until the time was right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

The pearl clutching around here over what I thought were core Democratic values ZX86 Sep 2017 #34

MFA is not a core Democratic value. Universal coverage is...and it can take different forms. I do Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

So you don't have anything to contribute other than naysaying, vague generalizations ZX86 Sep 2017 #57

MFA is a vague generalization with no chance of passing...I on the other hand have a plan. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61

I know, really. LWolf Sep 2017 #37

I love this post! I mean how on earth do you argue with this? Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #42

No one objects to that goal... at least no one here... Adrahil Sep 2017 #46

that's not true. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #48

You will never convince people especially those with work coverage to throw it aside and embrace Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

given out freebies to those who could care less about their own health, isn't that good waste of beachbum bob Sep 2017 #65