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CherokeeFiddle

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34. You're going against the very thing that will bring voters to the polls

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:07 AM

Sep 2017

in both 2018 and 2020. Full stop.

Building off the ACA is NOT the solution. It is a temporary fix. It allows insurance companies to be in charge and we'll continue to pay dearly for the cost of prescriptions. You cite Switzerland yet are you aware that drugs in Switzerland are some of the most regulated in the world? How do you plan to PASS THAT if you say that single payer won't even pass?

"Affordable health care" is a Republican talking point similar to "access" to health care. INSURING EVERYBODY is the goal. Not everybody can "afford" health insurance. Under a single payer system, people would be able to because it is paid for out of taxes.

Using your own logic,I'd love to know how you somehow think that Congress is going to allow us to have a public option and that red states will magically adopt Medicaid.

To quote Harry Reid;

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2013/aug/10/reid-says-obamacare-just-step-toward-eventual-sing

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Poll: Plurality supports single-payer health care [View all] CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 OP

Very soft...raise taxes and see what happens...can we please stop worrying about single payer and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #1

Nope, we are able to do both. CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #2

Ikr Lunabell Sep 2017 #7

Because some are afraid of change CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #8

The change that I fear is that millions lose their coverage if the ACA goes down... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #50

They said the same thing about the ACA CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #60

Green Mountain Care tanked in part because the taxes ended up WAY higher than ehrnst Sep 2017 #14

For what purpose? Single payer will not pass without a supermajority. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #15

So you're part of the 18%? ornotna Sep 2017 #5

I don't believe people will support single payer at the moment...first of all those Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #11

I agree. I would pay higher taxes also. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #16

What 18%? ehrnst Sep 2017 #18

Its in the OP ornotna Sep 2017 #38

Nice try. I support universal coverage and wish to achieve it without killing thousands of people. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #56

Yep, strawmen by the gross around here. ehrnst Sep 2017 #63

Yes, people who think MFA is around the corner based on some poll...who Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64

A false choice. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #52

Let's focus on what's right in front of us. RandySF Sep 2017 #3

That is what I am saying...we have the ACA...we gave up a majority to get it...and we have not shot Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #17

Awesome, which form is getting wide support? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #4

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #19

We don't have the actual Senate bill yet, so we don't know the details. lapucelle Sep 2017 #6

The bill was introduced the same day as murdercare...how do we not have details? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #51

But it's impossible because of the profit-loving, money-worshipping Republicans. Vinca Sep 2017 #9

We are heading in the right direction. Nt Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #10

Not if we lose the ACA...if that happens we won't have any healthcare at all . Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

"Not if we lose the ACA...if that happens we won't have any healthcare at all ." Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #33

Well I guess the millions who lose coverage and the thousands who die will have to take one Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #53

I hope to see single payer in the next 10 years. Glad the ball is rolling Arazi Sep 2017 #12

I hope to see pink unicorns...you have about the same chance. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

Sich negativity on single payer CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #24

I will not waste my time fighting for something that won't happen. I will on the other hand Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

You're going against the very thing that will bring voters to the polls CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #34

It won't bring voters to the polls. Support is soft...tell me how you convince people who get Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #35

Single payer will bring out voters in droves CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #37

Yes - and an electric car is cheaper to run. It's the sticker price ehrnst Sep 2017 #39

Last I looked CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #40

Well, if you make more than the median income they are "rather affordable" ehrnst Sep 2017 #41

They are $30k, CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #42

Yes, I'm sure all the people struggling to pay for health care ehrnst Sep 2017 #43

Now you want to argue with me about the price of cars? lol CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #44

Went right along with it, didn't you? ehrnst Sep 2017 #45

And? So what if if I'm new on DU? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #46

You did not explain how people who get work place insurance will be convinced to support single Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

I think just the opposite will happen. The GOP will demonize MFA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

Support for single-payer falls by 10 to 20 percentage points when people are read common criticisms, ehrnst Sep 2017 #13

This will be tough. It will make the ACA look like a walk in the park... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

Which is why you have to explain to them that they will ultimately save thousands Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #29

You are forgetting the sheer amount of misinformation still going around about the ACA. ehrnst Sep 2017 #32

According to that poll, plurality also supports free college and universal basic income oberliner Sep 2017 #23

And there it is! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #25

And if that majority becomes a minority? ehrnst Sep 2017 #27

Of course not oberliner Sep 2017 #28

Polls responses can be malleable, depending on what is actually asked. ehrnst Sep 2017 #31

That's true oberliner Sep 2017 #36

And have we achieved any of the above? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

We got a tax hike on the wealthy during the Obama presidency oberliner Sep 2017 #55

Most of the tax cuts were for the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

The effective federal tax rate for the top 1% went up from 27% to 32% under Obama oberliner Sep 2017 #58

Yeah, but.... vi5 Sep 2017 #30

80 to 90 percent support background checks and registration for firearms... LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #54

Bernie supports background checks CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #59

It's all about who makes money off of it nolabels Sep 2017 #61

Amazing. Snackshack Sep 2017 #62