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rgbecker

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13. I love this. From now on label every troll with the appropriate title.

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:12 AM

Sep 2017

1. The nuance troll: ‘We need more details!’

2. The deficit troll: ‘How do you pay for it?’

3. The feasibility troll: ‘What about the GOP?’

Bring it on DU trolls. Or should we be talking about ideas to get this done?

Here's mine: Make sure people know US businesses are at a disadvantage when competing with foreign traders as those foreign companies do not have to pay for their employees healthcare like US companies do. Some say 20% of wage cost is going to private insurance companies. Why not ship those jobs overseas?

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Universal health care "concern trolls" . . [View all] FairWinds Sep 2017 OP

I have not seen one person against universal healthcare here. Not one. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #1

The headline in link... CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #3

This is third time that I know of this article has been posted here. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #4

Single payer though? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #5

Single payer is a method, NOT universal healthcare ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #7

Single payer IS universal healthcare CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #8

Im sure you do ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #10

Okay. CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #11

It's not okay that hostile agents are on DU busily fanny small division into Hortensis Sep 2017 #25

Great post. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #129

Check this out! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #138

You agree also I should make an OP about you as a force for unity on DU? Hortensis Sep 2017 #141

Thanks CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #144

Okay, interesting group. That kind of cohesion can be hard to achieve. Hortensis Sep 2017 #148

It's actually rather easy! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #154

Huh! Those are all Democratic Party issues; and, let's face it, Hortensis Sep 2017 #161

Funny you mention that CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #219

Well, good luck. My master gardener group once worked on a project Hortensis Sep 2017 #220

Is your 20% group of Democrats and the rest Independents working on R B Garr Sep 2017 #240

Should we look for WillyT? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #149

Who's that? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #155

LOL! (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #156

I guess the jokes on me apparently? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #157

Lol ehrnst Sep 2017 #158

AH!! Yes indeed...... R B Garr Sep 2017 #163

WillyT goes to the tavern or pub, not the meeting. betsuni Sep 2017 #164

"new faces" R B Garr Sep 2017 #169

Indeed! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #171

Yes, a board to SUPPORT DEMOCRATS. I'm sure the new faces will be very R B Garr Sep 2017 #178

Familiar? How so? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #180

Don't they support Democrats?? How could that not be familiar?? R B Garr Sep 2017 #182

All the Democrats or people who support Democrats that I know and who are active online.... George II Sep 2017 #186

Exactly, which makes you wonder about the third party angle. Promoting third parties R B Garr Sep 2017 #191

Unless I'm mistaken CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #205

Go re-read what I said George CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #202

It's the Our Revolution revelation. Some are skeptical because Nina Turner has said... brush Sep 2017 #213

Ok, now I am really lost CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #204

Universal coverage and single payer are not the same thing. lapucelle Sep 2017 #117

Many of the countries that have universal healthcare, like Switzerland and Canada, pnwmom Sep 2017 #33

Right. That's fine. So what ... are you KPN Sep 2017 #62

NO. But I was not happy about the TIMING of Bernie's latest announcement, pnwmom Sep 2017 #70

So it's about Bernie primarily. KPN Sep 2017 #79

No, the timing was the worst possible, because it served as a distraction from the ACA pnwmom Sep 2017 #111

Exactly, it's the same distraction as in 1993 when he didn't support UNIVERSAL health care R B Garr Sep 2017 #135

Sanders had his own single payer bill in 1993 CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #139

That wasn't the point. His focus was not on unity. R B Garr Sep 2017 #140

He was focused on his own plan CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #145

Wow, that sounds incredibly selfish. Support Democrats! The ACA is the law R B Garr Sep 2017 #167

We're going have to agree to disagree here CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #173

Yes, SUPPORT DEMOCRATS. You should be focusing on supporting Democrats. R B Garr Sep 2017 #176

What are you talking about? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #179

What a convoluted way to finally agree with what everyone has been telling you-- R B Garr Sep 2017 #181

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #190

Hillarycare would have been a disaster. Bernie's precision plan is much simpler... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #197

Can you specify what the "precision" is in his plan? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #218

That was Democratic Rep. Jim McDermott's bill. lapucelle Sep 2017 #165

John Dingell Sr. introduced a form of universal healthcare and single payer back in 1943.... George II Sep 2017 #188

Every western democracy does it a little different LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #116

No many of them do not dsc Sep 2017 #121

No one is denied a basic coverage LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #177

No one being denied coverage is called universal coverage dsc Sep 2017 #184

And the only way that happens LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #232

And the ACA intended to establish another public/private system, pnwmom Sep 2017 #217

Switzerland uses regulated private insurers, and it is a western democracy. pnwmom Sep 2017 #122

The key word is "regulated" LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #174

Yes they do -- which proves that a system using a mixture of public and private insurance pnwmom Sep 2017 #216

It is a single payer BACKED system LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #231

And the ACA provided for universal insurance guaranteed and regulated by elected people. pnwmom Sep 2017 #247

And neither of those are countries of 320+ million people. Denmark has a population of 5.7M... George II Sep 2017 #170

Bingo George, I think you hit all three types of concern troll. rgbecker Sep 2017 #187

Excuse me? Reread what I posted, please. George II Sep 2017 #189

Got it. You are concerned America has too many people, rgbecker Sep 2017 #193

Why are you so concerned (oh that word!) about my personal life and why are you.... George II Sep 2017 #194

For review. The Clinton Universal Health care proposal of 1993 R B Garr Sep 2017 #132

Vermont doesn't have single payer. Doesn't Massachusetts have RomneyCare? R B Garr Sep 2017 #137

Here's a good analysis of what happened in Vermont. lapucelle Sep 2017 #162

Thanks, lapucelle, that is a very informative post. R B Garr Sep 2017 #224

It isn't actually. It's a WAY to get to universal healthcare, but it's just payment system, one Ninsianna Sep 2017 #210

In the way that Miniature Poodle is to Canine. ehrnst Sep 2017 #264

Nope. Just like "Neil Simon" isn't interchangealble with "Playwright" ehrnst Sep 2017 #268

I want universal healthcare to happen and be successful tymorial Sep 2017 #166

Well, many on DU insist that universal health care . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #6

I have not seen one single person criticise universal healthcare ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #9

Exactly. Not a person on here is against Universal Health Care. The real trolling.. JHan Sep 2017 #20

This particular article seems very popular ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #24

yeah...which translated means: JHan Sep 2017 #29

Working in healthcare I have a lot of questions ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #38

Hire doctors from other countries Not Ruth Sep 2017 #54

We are already doing that ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #64

I think one of the biggest problems with that CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #146

What is wrong with that if we need doctors? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #207

What is wrong with the cost of college? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #208

Yet many can Not Ruth Sep 2017 #212

We've been doing that for decades. It's not fixing the problem and with all Ninsianna Sep 2017 #200

From a VERY short search I just did, the U.S. has aprox 2.3 doctors/1000 people. ret5hd Sep 2017 #73

Not to mention our ability to train physician assistants, nurse practitioners, etc. KPN Sep 2017 #86

Cant isnt the point ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #110

Great Jumping Jehosaphat! ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #87

lol. JHan Sep 2017 #93

Your hostility to the information I gave is noted. ret5hd Sep 2017 #102

I looked at your links and they didnt offer any depth. It was amusement, not hostility ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #112

Your alternative is to deny health care to a segment of the population. ret5hd Sep 2017 #113

Ok, you lost me ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #115

If we can not provide care for all... ret5hd Sep 2017 #126

Ismnotwasm is a professional in the field. Maybe learn something from her rather than dismissing Squinch Sep 2017 #159

I am not sure how to reply to this. ret5hd Sep 2017 #221

Look it up yourself. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #235

I did. You said that's not good enough. ret5hd Sep 2017 #243

Poor you. You reply to her with dismissal and snark but it's really hard when people call you on it. Squinch Sep 2017 #252

2) The link (not links) I gave were to the first source that... ret5hd Sep 2017 #223

Lol. So fix that! KPN Sep 2017 #76

you're not getting the gist of her point: JHan Sep 2017 #88

Exactly ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #94

.... JHan Sep 2017 #98

Really? I'm not getting that? KPN Sep 2017 #99

.. JHan Sep 2017 #100

Agree! ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #91

Thank you. KPN Sep 2017 #103

Outlaw the American Medical Association (A.M.A.) nolabels Sep 2017 #128

training more providers..that seems simple enough questionseverything Sep 2017 #136

You could make that case against any opposing viewpoint which ... KPN Sep 2017 #68

No you can't. JHan Sep 2017 #85

Haha. Of course you can. KPN Sep 2017 #89

no infinity. *Rolls eyes* JHan Sep 2017 #92

Agreed. KPN Sep 2017 #101

False equivalency. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #270

But it does make them dividers. KPN Sep 2017 #66

Would you call me a troll? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #77

I wouldn't use that word in your case. KPN Sep 2017 #83

So...if one don't agree with Sanders, one is "divisive," and a "troll" ehrnst Sep 2017 #271

Yep, I am in that camp...putting out MFA gives the GOP cover and could lead to its demise. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75

But that is a matter of tactics, not content. NT Adrahil Sep 2017 #80

Not true. Monday night is one time, one night. "Many insist" (or say).Yeah, we know the provenance. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #192

Bernie can walk and chew gum at the same time... it's amazing! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #199

Not on the back burner. Wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs can no longer repeal... brush Sep 2017 #214

You are confusing Univeral Health Care with Single-payer ehrnst Sep 2017 #265

Unless Bernie has something to do with it! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #14

We see Bernie very differently. Deal! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #22

That has little to do with the fact that there is now a faction here who insist on calling everyone Squinch Sep 2017 #28

Details are certainly important, but, of course, when the shoe is on the other foot... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #196

I don't even know what that means. It's a healthcare plan. What kind of moron would one have Squinch Sep 2017 #198

All dissent from the manifesto must be silenced. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #272

Why is it that single payer USE to be so popular on DU Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #27

The ACA is currently in crisis mode. Most DUers are responding appropriately and trying pnwmom Sep 2017 #35

Read DU posts on the topic -- has nothing to do with Bernie and other supports but . . . ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #127

Oh, I've seen plenty of these 3 kinds of trolls. Amounts to the same thing imo. KPN Sep 2017 #56

always being quick with a reason why this isn't the right time, or this isn't the right plan is the JCanete Sep 2017 #229

The feasibility troll: What about the GOP? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #2

There are a number of issues with the feasibility of 'single payer' AT THIS TIME... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #12

In my view what makes it a "difficult issue" . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #15

Actually one of my concerns about M4A at this time ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #26

Big Phar is but 10% of healthcare expenditures. There are lots of other groups profiting from our Hoyt Sep 2017 #58

I love this. From now on label every troll with the appropriate title. rgbecker Sep 2017 #13

Thanks for the concise summary--I'm making a note! nt shanny Sep 2017 #18

So you are calling people with questions trolls? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #21

So many questions! rgbecker Sep 2017 #134

I would think that would be a very bad idea...and backfire. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

Because Freedom and GOP? rgbecker Sep 2017 #133

Read TOS. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #222

I think I'm stating the obvious, but on here it has zero to do with universal health care... vi5 Sep 2017 #16

You are saying it has everything to do with personality ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #23

Here on DU? Yes. vi5 Sep 2017 #131

Can you point out that "so much opposition to universal health care on DU"? brer cat Sep 2017 #17

This is complete bullshit and you know it is. There is not a soul here that is opposed Squinch Sep 2017 #19

You might want to take it up with . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #30

Was it Adam Johnson who claimed brer cat Sep 2017 #42

Did you read the article? It's lists 3 types of trolls. Most are in this exact thread! Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #43

Did you read my post? brer cat Sep 2017 #47

"Once in office, Bill Clinton quickly set up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, R B Garr Sep 2017 #53

Thats not a very nice article, calling Pelosi a hypocrite and all. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #46

The article itself is nothing but an ad hominem attack. It has nothing to do with the plan, it has Squinch Sep 2017 #74

Nice...well they are right....the ACA has to be the first priority. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

I agree. The writer calling people "trolls" and ascribing nefarious motives is a weak response NurseJackie Sep 2017 #31

It works everywhere else on the planet beautifully. All this "how would it be financed" concern Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #32

Not true. Many of the countries whose universal systems work well are NOT single payer. pnwmom Sep 2017 #37

Canada is textbook single payer Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #39

It by definition is NOT "single" payer. Each PROVINCE has its own plan, pnwmom Sep 2017 #45

Sorry, I will take the VOX article. You are splitting hairs. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #48

The Vox article acknowledges that private insurance is a PART of the Canadian system. pnwmom Sep 2017 #49

Look, there is no final proposal right now. It will go through many, many changes Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #57

But in the meantime no one is allowed to ask any questions about it, lest they be labeled trolls. Squinch Sep 2017 #67

So what are your problems with the current plan? nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #82

Oh, no! No one is allowed to discuss it! According to you, if I ask a question, I'm a troll. Squinch Sep 2017 #84

I will ask again, what don't you like about the current proposal? nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #97

And I'll say again, this is a thread in which it was stated that anyone who asks questions is a Squinch Sep 2017 #108

It won't go through any changes because it won't happen without a super majority Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #90

I'm fighting for those who are a lot younger than I am. I already have good HC Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #107

We must save the ACA and win elections in order to get a PO and a lowered Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #118

We agree on that. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #119

Not really ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #61

Well, from everything I have read, Sanders proposal is even better than Canada's Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #69

And thats great ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #104

There a few things my MSP in BC doesn't cover Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #50

Right. And each province has its own regulations, which vary. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #51

But essentially, it is single payer Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #59

I agree with you on that . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #40

No. It's NOT a fake concern. We have a newly proposed program that would be huge. Squinch Sep 2017 #65

Again, getting bogged down with the details of a plan that won't pass a Republican congress Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #96

What is happening in this thread is some people calling their allies trolls because they Squinch Sep 2017 #120

+1 betsuni Sep 2017 #150

Actually, the vast majority of Universal Health Care on the planet is multi-payer. ehrnst Sep 2017 #269

+1 Man_Bear_Pig Sep 2017 #34

This is a great artcile melman Sep 2017 #36

Its a horrible divisive article ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #63

No, it's really not melman Sep 2017 #95

By that articles criteria, *I* am a troll ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #106

This is not my first day reading the board melman Sep 2017 #125

I am not trying to sell anything ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #142

Oh, but you are melman Sep 2017 #225

What do you think Im selling? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #234

Gosh. How cryptic. Squinch Sep 2017 #253

I am also a troll. I object to single payer, m4a being proposed AT THIS POINT. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #215

The OP is an outright distortion and falsehoods. Perhaps the OP wasn't aware of those DEMOCRATS who still_one Sep 2017 #41

The Republicans did not hesitate for an instant . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #230

That isn't why they won and youo know it. Johnson is a disingenous ass. still_one Sep 2017 #233

Lack of clarity alert . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #236

Ok, here is your clarity ALERT. Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states still_one Sep 2017 #241

Brilliant! and that disingenuous ass Johnson is just trying to cloud "universal health care" R B Garr Sep 2017 #242

You are absolutely right RB. We have 5 days to call Senators to hopefully motivate them to prevent still_one Sep 2017 #244

Yet the reality is that the Clinton's introduced Universal Health Care way back in 1993 R B Garr Sep 2017 #44

Self delete. Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #52

Yet looking back on that time period, others introduced their own competing plans, R B Garr Sep 2017 #60

+1000 pnwmom Sep 2017 #72

as ACA is heaven05 Sep 2017 #55

Yes ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #114

Now we find out that although not a concern troll, you don't like the Medicare system? rgbecker Sep 2017 #195

This is the first you have heard that providers aren't thrilled with Medicare? That's not exactly Squinch Sep 2017 #201

Article also says, "Some have valid reasons to question . . . . . Sanders methods in particular." Hoyt Sep 2017 #71

Many do not claim to be against a single payer system, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #105

Bingo. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #109

You are totally wrong. Blue_true Sep 2017 #123

PNHP area51 Sep 2017 #124

lol stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #130

I am all in for universal health care GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #143

So now questions about policy are bad, we should be an echo chamber and trust politicians? betsuni Sep 2017 #147

It's a puzzle why the overreaction to simple requests for details ehrnst Sep 2017 #151

If anyone but Sanders had introduced the bill Warpy Sep 2017 #152

Yeah, health care policy experts are all in the pocket of the GOP and the oligharchy.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #153

For sure, single payer is . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #228

Ditto to everything you said including voting for Hillary Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #183

Why would anyone care about details of legislation? BainsBane Sep 2017 #160

I wonder if Adam Johnson realizes that because of what happened in 2016, M4All is on hold for at still_one Sep 2017 #168

So-called Democrats who oppose M4A, public option, FairWinds Sep 2017 #227

Big insurance companies would lose lots of money-they also donate to campaigns. jalan48 Sep 2017 #172

"The term "concern trolls" was used during the election to diminish those concerns raised by people politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2017 #175

Because the point is BainsBane Sep 2017 #254

There is literally nothing in the world that I dont have concerns with. Eko Sep 2017 #185

There are many examples of other countries have nonprofit health care. riverbendviewgal Sep 2017 #203

That's actually a terrible analysis from Adam Johnson Ninsianna Sep 2017 #206

Denying that an important faction of the Dems oppose universal health care? FairWinds Sep 2017 #226

Yes, actually, since that's not what Dems oppose. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #245

And Max Baucus is Santa Claus FairWinds Sep 2017 #248

I guess that platform is hard to read, much easier to link to propaganda and lies. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #249

Not to belabor the obvious . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #250

You seem to keep failing to back up your assertion, why is that? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #251

Yes. Hey, Fairwinds, how about names for the "some" few Dems who are so infuriating Hortensis Sep 2017 #255

It's almost like those "thousands of hits" don't actually provide anything Ninsianna Sep 2017 #258

I give you . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #256

You actually did not give me what you claim you did Ninsianna Sep 2017 #257

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Seriously, you're asked to back up your claims and you respond with Ninsianna Sep 2017 #261

For review: Bill Clinton ran on universal health care in 1992. It's been part of the R B Garr Sep 2017 #246

I guess the "real" democrat of 45 years, who is demanding papers, like a good Ninsianna Sep 2017 #262

This is what it's come to since 2015. A constant R B Garr Sep 2017 #274

This blogger starts from a mistaken confusion between UHC and single-payer. ehrnst Sep 2017 #266

I have a little list... bagelsforbreakfast Sep 2017 #209

Why is it never discussed that a single-payer, universal system would be a relief for small business YOHABLO Sep 2017 #211

The taxes levied on businesses to pay for single-payer are discussed a lot ehrnst Sep 2017 #267

My mother was from France. Half my family is there lovemydogs Sep 2017 #237

Because it is a sadistic trait humans have... WyattKansas Sep 2017 #239

ive never seen opposition to it.....just some doubts expressed about... samnsara Sep 2017 #238

You seem to be confusing "Universal Health Care" and "single-payer." ehrnst Sep 2017 #263

THANK YOU for this! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #273