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11. I'll wait for DU reports, IOW, won't watch.

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If Bernie attacks the democrats in any way this evening [View all] boston bean Sep 2017 OP

I refuse to watch it. He doesn't speak for me. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #1

I am vacation so I will probably miss it too. But I am sure I will hear about it. boston bean Sep 2017 #2

Yep, I will here the recap as well. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #4

That you will hear about it is a fairly safe bet. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #17

So what? Cary Sep 2017 #155

I think Bernie will be OK. He's a career politician so he can take ehrnst Sep 2017 #161

That's also a fairly safe bet. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #171

The Voice is back tonight so I will miss it too. leftofcool Sep 2017 #36

I can't watch it...too nervous. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #84

Why are there 2 redumbliCONs and only one Democrat? democratisphere Sep 2017 #3

DId Klobuchar back out? RandomAccess Sep 2017 #12

I hope she doesn't get the question about why Vermont doesn't have single payer... R B Garr Sep 2017 #13

Do as "I" say, not as "WE" do. democratisphere Sep 2017 #20

hehe. You love love love that talking point. It doesn't make any sense at all, since Sanders is a JCanete Sep 2017 #22

It most certainly is leftynyc Sep 2017 #23

They didn't do it at all. That isn't a failure of Medicare-for-All, it is a failure of the the JCanete Sep 2017 #24

No - it didn't pass leftynyc Sep 2017 #57

The legislature is not the people, and they don't operate in a bubble that isn't affected by JCanete Sep 2017 #62

Blame the voters leftynyc Sep 2017 #66

I disagree that pushing for actually progressive values hurts us in any way, but this site has a JCanete Sep 2017 #69

This is not about pushing progressive value...this is about giving the GOP cover to repeal the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #85

we've had that discussion. I don't get your point of view on this, even if I respect it. It does not JCanete Sep 2017 #86

It seems that the debate went well...I could not stand to watch...very nervous about repeal. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #125

It did seem to go well, thanks. I don't know what Graham and Cassidy were thinking trying to JCanete Sep 2017 #134

Excellent...again hats off to Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #177

Defending the indefensible for sure...those two looked really stupid caught a couple of clip on TV Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #196

I'm using my 10,000th post to give a big," Yes, I agree with you". The Wielding Truth Sep 2017 #104

Congratulations and thanks! JCanete Sep 2017 #135

Yes, public opinion changes... brooklynite Sep 2017 #68

meaning what? The republicans were successfully bludgeoning us on the ACA at the time JCanete Sep 2017 #70

LOL, so you speak with understanding and precision excusing Vermont politicians to R B Garr Sep 2017 #72

Sanders didn't shelve it in either state. Other politicians who were in a position to do so did. JCanete Sep 2017 #78

Yet your strawmen are all over the place. There are plenty of logical reasons R B Garr Sep 2017 #80

heheh what? Just at least admit that Sanders is not a State Senator. Also, note that I didn't JCanete Sep 2017 #87

There aren't that many politicians in Vermont. Surely Bernie knows them. R B Garr Sep 2017 #91

Holy fuck you really don't understand how politics works. You really think people just need JCanete Sep 2017 #94

You completely contradict yourself. First you say people just need convincing R B Garr Sep 2017 #96

convincing the leadership to pass something is different than convincing the people that they want JCanete Sep 2017 #98

Then that means that Bernie as a leader couldn't get single payer implemented R B Garr Sep 2017 #100

Yes there was a push for single payer brooklynite Sep 2017 #76

The rich aren't willing to pay for it? No shit? No shit? wow. We could fund this you know. JCanete Sep 2017 #77

Your superficial responses are just rejected talking points. You can't decide R B Garr Sep 2017 #79

really? You aren't good at connecting dots. The rich have undue influence on our political landscape JCanete Sep 2017 #88

The dots that aren't connecting is you thinking that you can blame others R B Garr Sep 2017 #90

Bullshit it isn't why. The rich control the messaging. They can make a fucking idiotic wall popular JCanete Sep 2017 #92

Are you saying that rich people in Vermont didn't want single payer?? R B Garr Sep 2017 #93

You think national and international corporations have no power in Vermont? You think JCanete Sep 2017 #95

LOL, back to hiding behind corporations and now international corporations. R B Garr Sep 2017 #97

and you can go on pretending that money isn't a factor in American JCanete Sep 2017 #99

You made huge generalizations about the rich and their power. So why doesn't R B Garr Sep 2017 #102

Straw man. Pointing out that something wasn't caused by the mechanations of the rich ehrnst Sep 2017 #152

I'm willing to have a focused conversation about deficits of legislation when you are willing to JCanete Sep 2017 #166

It was the taxes that were going to be levied to pay for Green Mountain Care that killed it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #149

Actually, the wall is favored by 35% of Americans. And no, HRC didn't stop advocating ehrnst Sep 2017 #164

This was a decision by actual voters. brooklynite Sep 2017 #108

Some interest public opinion in VT on the subject. CentralMass Sep 2017 #133

No, the citizens weren't willing to pay that kind of taxes for it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #150

So the public voted on the bill directly? Why don't you explain to me how that went? JCanete Sep 2017 #153

Well, since you don't seem to understand much about what happened ehrnst Sep 2017 #158

what do I not understand about that? That all adds up to me. The representatives were afraid JCanete Sep 2017 #162

How much of your passion is for single payer? Cary Sep 2017 #157

I'm glad we're on the same page with single-payer. What I have a passion for beyond the legislation JCanete Sep 2017 #168

I'm so sick of that Cary Sep 2017 #172

No good has come from what? JCanete Sep 2017 #173

From ideological purity. Cary Sep 2017 #174

And what is ideological purity? Who represents that? Advocating for what you believe in? JCanete Sep 2017 #175

Good grief JCanete Cary Sep 2017 #176

+1, it's definitely about a single personality. R B Garr Sep 2017 #180

Unless they want Republicans to win Cary Sep 2017 #183

There it is! Exactly. R B Garr Sep 2017 #189

Kind of ironic for people against "identity politics" to be so taken with a cult of identity with a Ninsianna Sep 2017 #185

*1, exactly, and the alternate reality is also a RW R B Garr Sep 2017 #187

Fits with the behavior, the tactics and the talking points. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #188

With all the obvious contradictions, it looks deliberate. R B Garr Sep 2017 #190

Well, the familiar talking points used verbatim are pretty consistent too. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #191

Exactly, it is the single most valid question, recognized by people/journalists everywhere. R B Garr Sep 2017 #28

That's a red herring. Single payer only works if the entire country is enrolled. Zen Democrat Sep 2017 #74

That is not a fact. It failed on the ballot in Colorado. R B Garr Sep 2017 #75

Actually no, it's not a fact. Canada is a good example. ehrnst Sep 2017 #151

Well, it or something like it pangaia Sep 2017 #128

It's never been tried leftynyc Sep 2017 #136

This is truly absurd. You seem to love this diversion, but it's just an excuse. R B Garr Sep 2017 #26

The politicians in Washington know each other too. What does that even mean? JCanete Sep 2017 #30

This is not a difficult concept. And your excuses are nonsense. People everywhere can R B Garr Sep 2017 #34

people who want a reason to shut down discussion of single payer or medicare-for-all can grasp it. JCanete Sep 2017 #35

LOL, that didn't take long to hide behind "corporations" as some kind of excuse, too. R B Garr Sep 2017 #37

You trying to give your argument any kind of salience by referencing a corporate newspaper JCanete Sep 2017 #41

This isn't fooling anyone. It's just excuses. You are just hiding behind superficial R B Garr Sep 2017 #42

Lets fucking find out. Do you want to stand in the way of it and just poo poo any efforts to JCanete Sep 2017 #44

You are not making any sense. R B Garr Sep 2017 #47

So commenting on it without cheerleading is standing in the way of it? Or "barring the way" ehrnst Sep 2017 #147

Right. Any newspaper that doesn't support your view is suddenly "corporate" ehrnst Sep 2017 #145

No, it is simply the reality of the paper and our 4th estate in general. JCanete Sep 2017 #169

+1, nailed it. Hiding behind corporations is the R B Garr Sep 2017 #181

what are you talking about? Since I'm literally the person that was being responded to, JCanete Sep 2017 #198

You aren't making any sense. R B Garr Sep 2017 #202

just snorting about something doesn't make it not true. Its hardly a conspiracy theory to say money JCanete Sep 2017 #204

Lame R B Garr Sep 2017 #205

good talk... JCanete Sep 2017 #207

You can tell it's lame because reality is that Russian R B Garr Sep 2017 #208

that is fucking daft. Did you pay attention to election coverage? Trump had no business JCanete Sep 2017 #209

Reality is a thing. Adherence to your generic word clouds R B Garr Sep 2017 #210

I never questioned whether Russia has attempted to influence the election. Do you think the MSM JCanete Sep 2017 #211

Generic word clouds are not reality. Insinuating Democrats are corrupt R B Garr Sep 2017 #212

oh the msm just hates women. It didn't hate Kerry or Obama or Gore...It didn't JCanete Sep 2017 #213

lol, this is silly. You obviously can't accept anything outside R B Garr Sep 2017 #214

right...cuz I've ever seen you deviate even slightly from yours. I'll give you this, you never take JCanete Sep 2017 #215

I knew this was all about making this personal. R B Garr Sep 2017 #216

that's pretty wild. Why don't you read through our history of exchanges and see if you can really JCanete Sep 2017 #217

How silly. Your word clouds are all generic references R B Garr Sep 2017 #220

so you've got nothing to prove your specious claim. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #221

Reality is not a specious claim. Forcing empty campaign R B Garr Sep 2017 #222

Hey, leave The Boston Globe alone. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #167

Newspapers are supposed to report the news, and be unbiased. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #184

there is no such thing as no bias. When they try they are faking it. I'd rather they be honest about JCanete Sep 2017 #197

There is such a thing as journalism, and integrity, but if you prefer propagnada Ninsianna Sep 2017 #199

There is such thing as credibility. Papers and News stations(with some obvious exceptions) are JCanete Sep 2017 #206

Indeed there is, we've seen that many of the sites people here favor because it Ninsianna Sep 2017 #218

No. That's ridiculous. How can you control how your bias affects your coverage if you aren't aware JCanete Sep 2017 #219

No, what's ridiculous is that confirmation bias as already been admitted to, Ninsianna Sep 2017 #223

You are making assumptions you have no evidence for. You have single-handedly decided that JCanete Sep 2017 #224

I thought you said that people in government only do what rich people tell them to. ehrnst Sep 2017 #163

do you really think there's a contradiction here? The only thing that speaks as loud, or at least JCanete Sep 2017 #165

Because A Small State Doesn't Have The Macro Economy To Fund It? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #51

More excuses, really, at least by the standards already set by the Revolution. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #52

How Is That An Excuse? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #55

Are costs and logic now part of the Revolution's considerations? R B Garr Sep 2017 #60

How The Heck Am I Supposed To Know? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #63

What is your source that a state is too small to implement single payer? ehrnst Sep 2017 #159

My Years Of Econometric Analysis ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #179

Thank you! ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #56

Actually, it's easier in a small state. That's why Vermont tried it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #154

"National" health insurance works when an entire country is covered, not individual states. Zen Democrat Sep 2017 #73

So why did Vermont try? Why did Colorado and California discuss it? ehrnst Sep 2017 #156

When he avoids questions about what was learned from Single Payer in his home state ehrnst Sep 2017 #148

Who is the Democrat? n/t radical noodle Oct 2017 #229

Bernie understands that we need the ACA at this time. kentuck Sep 2017 #5

You are preaching to the wrong person. boston bean Sep 2017 #7

Principles before personalities is a popular phrase elsewhere. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #31

Actually, we need a lot longer than four years to avoid disruption to health care delivery ehrnst Sep 2017 #160

Well, to some his very existence as a non-Democrat in the Senate is an attack on the party. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #6

ffs shanny Sep 2017 #8

You cannot get purity from anything the op stated. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #10

That is for god damn sure. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #33

.... shanny Sep 2017 #67

Prepare to scream. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #9

Millionaires billionaires corporations R B Garr Sep 2017 #14

"Noun-verb-millionares and billionares" taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #15

Funny how that happened. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #116

I'll wait for DU reports, IOW, won't watch. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #11

The guy assisting Klobuchar in the debate? nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #16

There aren't many that could do this right but of course CNN would go with Sanders. ucrdem Sep 2017 #18

If minority leader Schumer wanted to be in the debate, he would be there karynnj Sep 2017 #48

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #19

I would love to know why those who hate Bernie lovemydogs Sep 2017 #21

I understand it, but I don't subscribe to it. Tobin S. Sep 2017 #29

Thank you. I do see what you are saying lovemydogs Sep 2017 #39

He had no right treestar Sep 2017 #45

Why not? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #58

He had no "right" to run as a Democrat treestar Sep 2017 #111

You have a very peculiar idea of democracy. Iran comes to mind... redgreenandblue Sep 2017 #112

the Democratic party uses a primary treestar Sep 2017 #225

Nope, you are intentionally misstating the facts. Anyone can run. You don't need a party. stevenleser Nov 2017 #230

And if people choose to run outside of a party we never hear the end of it. redgreenandblue Nov 2017 #231

That is demonstrably untrue. We heard about Ralph Nader and we heard about Jill Stein stevenleser Nov 2017 #232

Putting right in quotation marks doesn't answer the question of why not. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #140

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I think she lost due to voter turnout treestar Sep 2017 #226

Better not watch then. n/t Lil Missy Sep 2017 #25

Dont you dare scream it here, though. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27

im not watching it either and just holding my breath he doesnt... samnsara Sep 2017 #32

Do you think he's going to say anything those Repubs haven't heard? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #59

I'm also in no mood to hear about WWC voters for the millionth time Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #38

Preach. They already have an exaggerated sense of self importance and need to get over themselves. bettyellen Sep 2017 #61

Truth! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #193

Sometimes tough love is needed. It's a damn shame he left the party, but after the way joet67 Sep 2017 #40

Sorry... smears lies and insults (no matter who delivers them) are not "tough love"... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #49

Exactly! Same here lovemydogs Sep 2017 #71

If "tough love" results in losing the debate and helping millions lose their health insurance pnwmom Sep 2017 #81

no it won't, but thanks for your views. joet67 Sep 2017 #101

I will be keeping my expectations very low... so as not to be disappointed. Also... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #43

If he does I hope Amy Klobuchar walks out NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #46

I absolutely disagree -- I hope Amy Klobuchar stays and makes the issue the real choice before us karynnj Sep 2017 #50

I wouldn't blame her. It's not the first time she's had credit ehrnst Sep 2017 #143

I think he plans to walk on water-will that be OK? jalan48 Sep 2017 #53

the bottom of his shoes will have to be checked for dampness dembotoz Sep 2017 #64

One can protect the ACA while also working to replace it with a better plan. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #54

Not in a debate. He can't disparage the ACA and defend it from attackers at the same time. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #82

True, but any argument about what might be said is pointless. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #89

It's a double edged sword, bb. saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #65

I have my fainting couch prepared, I don't know how i will manage to go on if he does. nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #83

Wow, a person of leisure* with no concerns about his party being maligned. R B Garr Sep 2017 #103

Bernie knows the deal... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #105

Stomp your feet and pull out your hair, elleng Sep 2017 #106

I won't watch mcar Sep 2017 #107

This wins the internets for shedding bitter tears while shark jumping on a political message board. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #109

How is your voice? aikoaiko Sep 2017 #110

Bernie has always been all about protecting the ACA. Autumn Sep 2017 #113

Ugh, how totally unnecessary and childish. This is a R B Garr Sep 2017 #114

Hey! how are you doing? I know it's hard to put up with politicians and people you disagree with Autumn Sep 2017 #115

None of what you said had to do with my post except more R B Garr Sep 2017 #117

I know that you don't like spending a lot of time on Senators from small Northeastern states. Autumn Sep 2017 #118

why don't you just admit the real reason you kicked R B Garr Sep 2017 #119

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Good grief, Autumn! That wasn't very nice. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #137

Oh... I missed it! (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author KTM Sep 2017 #195

Post #114: Agreed! ... Post #117: Agreed! ... Post #119: Agreed! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #121

Thanks NJ! I feel the same about your posts. R B Garr Sep 2017 #123

Hostile posting bothers you? ehrnst Sep 2017 #144

From the posts I've seen, um ... lack of self awareness? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #186

Autumn isn't the one being childish. DLevine Sep 2017 #122

Feel free to look how this thread was kicked. R B Garr Sep 2017 #124

Agreed - the Bernie hate on DU is such a turnoff womanofthehills Sep 2017 #139

Project much? KPN Sep 2017 #127

You too. The posts are numbered and you can see R B Garr Sep 2017 #131

The major 'kick' seems to have been the pause between #110 and #111 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #138

i didnt watch it last night.. how did it go? samnsara Sep 2017 #126

So enquiring minds want to know, did you have to scream last night? KPN Sep 2017 #129

No I did not scream with what I watched. But I only watched 1 hour. boston bean Sep 2017 #130

Well, I'll take that as a good thing then. KPN Sep 2017 #132

Glad to hear it. I think Amy and Bernie did a fine job of defending access to health care. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #141

I think Bernie speaks for us all on this topic - I have confidence in him. Joe941 Sep 2017 #170

kick. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #178

Must have gone well? Seemed to have neutered the Republicans for a little while. Sunlei Sep 2017 #182

And the Reagan Democrats Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #192

The '80s called, said you're using "Reagan Democrats" wrong. betsuni Sep 2017 #200

Yes, this misuse is hilarious when you consider the Reagan Democrats by definition R B Garr Sep 2017 #203

This OP and thread is 100% win ornotna Sep 2017 #194

If I see another Bernie flame war I'm going to scream JonLP24 Sep 2017 #201

Screamin'Jay Hawkins jalan48 Sep 2017 #227

He really needs to get behind the ACA instead of ignoring it. ucrdem Sep 2017 #228