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muriel_volestrangler

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69. "colder than the water in a dishwasher" - yes, that's the point

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:40 PM

Sep 2017

The dishwasher has to use really hot water, and thus more energy, because it doesn't have brushes to physically move the dirt. So it needs really hot water to dissolve the remnants of food.

"never getting distracted and allowing the faucet to run longer than is absolutely necessary"

What? No, I don't have the attention span of a flea. If I want to wash dishes, then I do so, and I don't stare at a bowl, or a dish in my hand, and think "I can't remember why I'm doing this, I'll just leave this tap running for no reason".

The problem seems to be an assumption that a machine is more intelligent than a human.

Look, your own links say hand-washing can be as efficient, and there's no point in pretending they don't, or that "science" came up with the "3 to 5 times more efficient" claim. Or that the guy from the EPA said what he did "so as not to offend". Or that Consumer Reports said anything about hand-washing. Using 12 gallons to wash 4 place settings is so mind-numbingly dumb that it's not worth considering.

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I need a new dishwasher. Any suggestions? [View all] shraby Sep 2017 OP

Plate meet sponge. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #1

Washing dishes by hand is eco unfriendly. stopbush Sep 2017 #6

Depends on how many dishes you do. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2017 #10

Not really. stopbush Sep 2017 #40

Landlord supplied dishwasher is useless we handwash any way dembotoz Sep 2017 #77

That's OK, of course. It's just a big waste of resources when compared stopbush Sep 2017 #93

As long as it has a spray stronger than a dehydrated 90 yr old dembotoz Sep 2017 #96

A toilet uses lots of natural resources too but we use them everyday leftofcool Sep 2017 #13

Toilets don't use heated water. stopbush Sep 2017 #41

You can buy toilets with different flushes for different needs. Neema Sep 2017 #84

A dishwasher often requires that you wash the dishes by hand milestogo Sep 2017 #57

That isn't true these days. In fact, the newer dishwashers recommend that you NOT stopbush Sep 2017 #60

12 gallons of water to wash 4 place settings by hand? That's ridiculous. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #64

How about you find me a study/article that proves hand washing is more eco- friendly? stopbush Sep 2017 #65

There's the quote you link to muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #66

Possible and maybe - hedging bets so as to not offend those people stopbush Sep 2017 #67

"colder than the water in a dishwasher" - yes, that's the point muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #69

I get it. You're stuck on an idea that you've had for a long time stopbush Sep 2017 #70

I didn't say it's "more eco-friendly"; I say you can wash 4 settings in 2 gallons muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #71

Used to be the case, and maybe still is with cheap ones. But now I put my dishes in super dirty and Neema Sep 2017 #85

The average kitchen sink sponge has more bacteria stopbush Sep 2017 #68

The net is your friend. Blue_true Sep 2017 #2

Good advice. It's also constructive to search "target brand + complaints" Warpy Sep 2017 #15

Avoid ones with complicated electronic switches.... Historic NY Sep 2017 #3

Pretty sure he/she already owns a sponge. ornotna Sep 2017 #4

Still being made.... Historic NY Sep 2017 #9

Cool ornotna Sep 2017 #25

Check craigslist. I have had real success with dishwashers. stopbush Sep 2017 #5

Don't get a Bosch! They're supposed to be great, but I got one and Squinch Sep 2017 #7

Make sure you don't leave the door sealed/closed with dirty dishes in it davekriss Sep 2017 #12

Tried it. Had a technician in. No improvement. Squinch Sep 2017 #33

Did he say anything about cleaning the filter? Neema Sep 2017 #87

haha GMTA mercuryblues Sep 2017 #14

No garbage disposal and the stink started with the first wash that I did to clean out the new Squinch Sep 2017 #36

You should never use a garbage disposal. Eventually, you'll need Main Line Cleaner to clear grease. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #56

As I said in my post, I don't have a garbage disposal. Squinch Sep 2017 #73

Sorry, I meant to post in the comment above. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #94

I have a Bosch, love it. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #16

same experience rufus dog Sep 2017 #20

We love our Bosch as well! Docreed2003 Sep 2017 #28

Best in the world. Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #30

Began on the first wash before I put any dishes in it. Nothing to do with crud in the trap. Squinch Sep 2017 #34

Also very satisfied with our super quiet made in USA Bosch. Going strong after ten years. n/t Cognitive_Resonance Sep 2017 #37

Yup. peggysue2 Sep 2017 #72

Also have a fairly new Bosch. Liberal In Texas Sep 2017 #75

Yours must be newer than mine. I don't have the little red light on the floor, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #76

Just the two of us, most of the time, so we bought the Bosch 18" dishwasher. LOVE IT! Tikki Sep 2017 #97

We also have a Bosch and love it. Ezior Sep 2017 #103

Oh, jeez, we've had one for 12 years and it's still a great machine eleny Sep 2017 #19

We've got a Bosch in the old house and just put the second one in the new house Stinky The Clown Sep 2017 #24

I have a Bosch. Got it because it is supposed to be great. I've never had a problem with it. politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2017 #42

A friend of ours had a Bosch, and it never worked right from the day they got it. SeattleVet Sep 2017 #52

I have a Bosch and it works fine. rusty quoin Sep 2017 #55

A trick I learned from a landlord: always use a credit card (not a debit card) stopbush Sep 2017 #61

Seems like everyone else in this thread has had great experience with them. Squinch Sep 2017 #74

You just have to clean the trap every couple of months. Problem solved. Our Bosch Neema Sep 2017 #83

As I have said to other posters above, the smell began with the "maiden" run through when I Squinch Sep 2017 #86

That's bizarre. I did not have that problem. Neema Sep 2017 #88

I have a mercuryblues Sep 2017 #8

Just Google or Bing or Startpage Leith Sep 2017 #11

We had a lemon with a Samsung...but love our LG. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #17

Our low end Kenmore is going strong after 15 years. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #18

The key is - yours was made 15 yrs ago. KentuckyWoman Sep 2017 #90

I've always gone with Kitchen Aid. The one I have in this house was installed in 1994. I have sinkingfeeling Sep 2017 #21

Just helped my parents replace the old maytag they dragged over from their old house. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #22

Miele is a brand that does NOT promote Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #23

I'm not cheap, but I'm efficient. You'd need to finance my relocation, too. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #26

Would it help what you charge if you found you'd be 2 blocks from Lake Michigan? shraby Sep 2017 #43

Nah. I have to be paid for my talent and efficiency, no matter where I am. You tblue37 Sep 2017 #50

I bought a GE not too long ago. QED Sep 2017 #27

Non-electric eco-friendly dishwasher Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #29

I'm sure Trump will be available after he's gone from the White House. edbermac Sep 2017 #31

Read my mind rock Sep 2017 #35

I would'nt trust him to clean my toilet stool. shraby Sep 2017 #44

I wouldn't trust him not to steal the stools from in it. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2017 #91

Where's the fork? snort Sep 2017 #49

We have a Bosch, and we love it! flyingfysh Sep 2017 #32

If you have the money for it, make sure the inside is stainless steel kysrsoze Sep 2017 #38

It will be stainless inside and (I think) they are nylon instead of steel things that hold shraby Sep 2017 #45

Sounds like you're pretty much set. Hope it lasts you for decades. I think good machines still can. kysrsoze Sep 2017 #53

I get less expensive ones. Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #39

I'm giving it a good cleaning tonight and see if that helps it clean the dishes better. I appreciate shraby Sep 2017 #46

If you have someone like my wife in the family it does not matter GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #47

We recently bought the most expensive madokie Sep 2017 #48

We absolutely LOVE our Fisher-Paykel Dish Drawer SeattleVet Sep 2017 #51

I love mine too. IphengeniaBlumgarten Sep 2017 #63

In about six months, there's this orange guy in Washington who'll need a job jmowreader Sep 2017 #54

Avoid the ones with the asphalt based liners that are put on the outside. 58Sunliner Sep 2017 #58

There is a great resource for information like this melm00se Sep 2017 #59

I put a Bosch in the house we built in 2010 mnhtnbb Sep 2017 #62

Don't buy LG. You may not have a warranty next week. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2017 #79

Dishwasher soap has changed Freddie Sep 2017 #80

What are the hours? Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2017 #81

Let me add my vote for Bosch. A little spendy but worth EVERY penny. Neema Sep 2017 #82

If (and this is a big if) Volaris Sep 2017 #89

We have a Miele and it has been the best I have ever had JDC Sep 2017 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #95

Marry someone and do all the cooking Generic Brad Sep 2017 #98

I did- been married to the same man for 56 years, and I still do the dishes. shraby Sep 2017 #101

Don't believe this is the place for that question. LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #99

Maybe not, but it got some answers. shraby Sep 2017 #102

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #100