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JHan

(10,173 posts)
85. First the good bits:
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:48 PM
Sep 2017

It is good for us to be aware of how shortsighted our foreign policy has been over the years. Bernie is right to point this out.
However, I have heard similar speeches a million times before. I don't know what the author was "waiting for" unless they don't avail themselves of what other people say.

I have heard Obama speak with soaring rhetoric , Bill Clinton speaking about the promise of a better tomorrow, and Hillary herself.

Anyone could stand in front of people and make soaring speeches about world peace.

I was looking out for certain details as to why conflicts happen - the particulars. Why certain countries suffer despite being resource rich, the effects of corruption on wealth creation for all and how that drives conflict, how to address historical and political divides which feed conflicts...The understanding that resources are finite and how to develop a more sustainable approach towards economic development. Nothing Sanders said has not been said before by Secretaries of State and Presidents.

And I am not the only one who feels this way re present foreign policy : https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/21/16345602/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-speech-westminster

"Yet he decries both full-scale US military intervention and the use of drone strikes and other airstrikes to kill terrorists around the world. That’s all well and good, but then how does he plan to address the threat — both to the US directly and to the security, stability, and prosperity of people around the world — from groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda, if not by some combination of military intervention or drone and airstrikes?

Does he have an alternative idea of how to approach the threat from international terrorist groups, beyond the vague notion that if everyone is happy and prosperous, terrorism will automatically disappear? If he does, he failed to share it with the rest of us during his speech.

Similarly, while Sanders sang the praises of the Iran nuclear deal and encouraged Trump not to pull the US out of it — which would essentially destroy the deal — he never mentions the very real concerns the Trump administration and many of the deal’s supporters and detractors have raised about Iran’s other dangerous and destabilizing actions, such as its support for terrorist groups and sectarian militias throughout the Middle East, its atrocious human rights record at home, and its continued testing of ballistic missiles.

And while he rightly slams the US for supporting Saudi Arabia in its disastrous war in Yemen, he fails to acknowledge that the Obama administration gave that support in the first place in order to convince Saudi Arabia to support the Iran nuclear deal and to do more to help fight ISIS in Syria.

And then there’s North Korea — probably the most acute foreign policy challenge the United States is currently facing and one that carries the threat of potential nuclear war. Sanders correctly acknowledges the failure of past efforts to curb North Korea’s nuclear ambitions and the urgent need to confront the threat.

“Despite past efforts they have repeatedly shown their determination to move forward with these programs in defiance of virtually unanimous international opposition and condemnation,” Sanders said of the North Korean regime.

Yet his prescription for how to solve the problem is just more of the same:

As we saw with the 2015 nuclear agreement with Iran, real US leadership is shown by our ability to develop consensus around shared problems, and mobilize that consensus toward a solution. That is the model we should be pursuing with North Korea.

As we did with Iran, if North Korea continues to refuse to negotiate seriously, we should look for ways to tighten international sanctions. This will involve working closely with other countries, particularly China, on whom North Korea relies for some 80 percent of its trade. But we should also continue to make clear that this is a shared problem, not to be solved by any one country alone but by the international community working together.

So we should work together with other countries to tighten sanctions on North Korea and try to get China to cut off its trade ties with the North. In other words, the same basic policy President Trump is currently pursuing and that President Obama pursued before him. How this will magically solve the problem when — as Sanders himself just admitted — it has consistently failed to do so thus far is something Sanders conveniently fails to address."


I'm sure if that speech were given by anyone other than Sanders, the author of the article in the OP would say it's more of the same.

this is what I don't get, the unnecessary adulation of what was actually a very middle of the road, safe speech that would not have gotten headlines were it not for the speaker.

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Can't find concrete answers. Have used up my free Nation quota. bettyellen Sep 2017 #1
Transcript - Bernie's speech Mike__M Sep 2017 #9
Thanks! Conceptually it's beautiful. No real answers on Syria... bettyellen Sep 2017 #11
Thats my take on things too. arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #18
I, for one, do not need Bernie Sanders speaking for the Democratic Party. Don't want or need it. tonyt53 Sep 2017 #2
His speech doesn't appear to mention Democrats n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #3
So when day and time do "Progressives" start their own party and leave the Democratic Party? tonyt53 Sep 2017 #4
I thought the Democratic party embraced progressive ideas leftstreet Sep 2017 #5
Pretty much the same difference, unless you are splitting hairs. tonyt53 Sep 2017 #6
Tony has spoken theaocp Sep 2017 #8
That's the message I got. Loud and clear. (N/T) Old Crow Sep 2017 #14
спасибо товарищу 0rganism Sep 2017 #15
Actually, my response is quite the opposite . tonyt53 Sep 2017 #49
Would that make you happy? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #42
Can you please pay attention to the content. Leave your Bernie hate at the door. tecelote Sep 2017 #16
Churchill is the guy who engaged in a genocide of 2 million brown people by deliberate Ninsianna Sep 2017 #94
Can't have a single positive Bernie thread without someone pissing in the punch bowl. Nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #21
I think he's speaking for the American people. Autumn Sep 2017 #26
Except for those who would like some more details. ehrnst Sep 2017 #46
Many great actions by our leaders started by a spoken vision, not all of them spang forth complete Autumn Sep 2017 #50
I guess if you never question a leader's vision, ehrnst Sep 2017 #51
I remember when Medicare and the ACA were visions but oh well. nt. Autumn Sep 2017 #54
Yeah, and LBJ had to lie about what they cost to get them passed. ehrnst Sep 2017 #55
Oh well I guess you proved LBJ is as bad as any fucking republican. Good on you. Autumn Sep 2017 #56
I think you may be confusing me with another poster? ehrnst Sep 2017 #60
About Obama and the origins of the ACA ehrnst Sep 2017 #62
Are you saying that Obama didn't have a plan all laid out explaining EXACTLY how the ACA was Autumn Sep 2017 #63
Perhaps you should read my post again. This time, move the strawman. ehrnst Sep 2017 #64
I read your article. There was NO exact plan laid out by Obama, yet some expect Bernie to have one . Autumn Sep 2017 #65
You seem to have bought strawmen in bulk - did you find a sale? ehrnst Sep 2017 #67
You seem to be adressing a different post so whatever. Autumn Sep 2017 #68
LOL. I guess you weren't done after all... ehrnst Sep 2017 #69
If there were any truth to your insults it might would sting but your insults are nothing Autumn Sep 2017 #73
And you still can't leave it there.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #74
Nothing to do with "I know you are but what am I? You still proved my point. You can't change that Autumn Sep 2017 #79
He has submitted a bill. ehrnst Sep 2017 #83
LOL Gothmog Sep 2017 #96
You rock! (If you don't mind my saying.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #103
Nobody here wants universal healthcare for all more than you or I do. Which is WHY Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #75
Rather hot for this time of year. ehrnst Sep 2017 #76
Dont ask, sucks. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #77
Isnt JPR filled with people who delighted in something really bad that happened that I am not Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #66
There are several who post both places. ehrnst Sep 2017 #70
So we will see a repeat of history as I have predicted a few thousand times over the Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #71
But, you know - maybe it just has to "all burn down" ehrnst Sep 2017 #72
Yup +++++++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #81
I once assumed that would happen because it was forced on us by the GOP Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #82
Our own tea party. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #84
There's Nothing Partyish About It Me. Sep 2017 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Sluggeaux Sep 2017 #38
Do we move away from endless war and ever rising war budgets? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #7
Renounce the 1.5 trillion F-16 program. Leading by example works for me. bettyellen Sep 2017 #12
One excellent example, and there are others. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #17
Any one taking about reducing the military budget has to be honest about their part in it- bettyellen Sep 2017 #20
And THAT concept of pork, and who benefits, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #22
I know. It's really too bad so many Dems voted for the increase in military Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #25
Don't be fooled- some of them already have all the pork their state wants! 1.5 trillion ain't bettyellen Sep 2017 #30
Oh ok. I'll check out Oregon and NY pork. Thanks. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #33
Ignore the F-16 program with all your might. But it won't go away because VT wants $$$$$ for war too bettyellen Sep 2017 #34
I'm not ignoring. So you need me to argue or agree with you? You have said it Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #35
This may seem petty, and I really don't intend to be confrontational, but you have it wrong The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #99
No worries. It's just that VT has its war pork same as everyone else, yet they get a pass. bettyellen Sep 2017 #102
Oh, the pork is spead out so all the politicians can get a bite. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #104
Not seeing that in the Single Payer bill. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #52
Lowering the war budget is unthinkable for politicians. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #58
Still don't see that in the Single Payer bill. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #59
It is a single issue Bill, not a budget resolution. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #78
It would be nice if there were actually discussions about the ideas Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #10
Difficult to deny. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #23
There is real discussion of this speech ehrnst Sep 2017 #80
Saw this earlier. Came to post it but ya beat me to it Arazi Sep 2017 #13
I see a lot of questions, not much "policy". George II Sep 2017 #19
Which questions? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #37
I've already taken my visit to the aquarium this week, thanks. George II Sep 2017 #39
Huh? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #41
I hear it's lovely! Lots of clownfish. ehrnst Sep 2017 #87
Yes, they have a bunch of them: George II Sep 2017 #89
Don't hate me JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #91
Like you say, it's only part of the circle of life - "fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly"......... George II Sep 2017 #92
Many are addressed here, at length ehrnst Sep 2017 #86
Thanks for the Post. nt zentrum Sep 2017 #24
Does he mention the great enemy of the human race and freedom, Putin? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27
Yes. Just read the speech. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #29
Talks about working with Russia to reduce dependence on oil.... bettyellen Sep 2017 #31
Working with Russia? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #43
To end dependence on oil, lol. It made me wonder if he's paying any attention at all. bettyellen Sep 2017 #45
Isn't the Russian economy dependent on oil and gas exports? comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #53
Or why he and Rand Paul were the only 2 senators to vote against the Russia sanctions? VOX Sep 2017 #40
I know, but nobody even talks about it, like it doesnt matter or didnt happen Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #44
SHHHHHH!!!!!!!! ehrnst Sep 2017 #88
Bernie's foreign policy speech Equinox Moon Sep 2017 #28
Why so insecure? rainin Sep 2017 #32
Thanks for bringing this. K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #36
K&R.. disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #47
I thought it lacked A LOT Tavarious Jackson Sep 2017 #48
It's a speech intended to rouse enthusiasm and passion Kentonio Sep 2017 #61
First the good bits: JHan Sep 2017 #85
Great minds... ehrnst Sep 2017 #100
And a former candidate for POTUS could be expected to have some concrete ideas about this ehrnst Sep 2017 #90
Rings a bell DFW Sep 2017 #98
:) Man_Bear_Pig Sep 2017 #57
Sanders is clearly the best statesman alive right now. ananda Sep 2017 #93
Yup! burrowowl Sep 2017 #97
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