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Ms. Toad

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41. Nope. Most jobs are at-will.

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:09 PM

Sep 2017

Meaning employers can fire you at a moment's notice - for any non-discriminatory reason. Similarly, you can walk at a moment's notice.

The terms of your work can change from day to day, or moment to moment, and nothing at all needs to be put in writing. Both you and the employer are free to say "adios" the moment you don't like the terms - or your employer doesn't want you around any longer.

Essentially the only exceptions (in an at-will situation) are prohibitions on firing you because you are a member of a protected class (age over 40, gender race, etc.)

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So NASCAR tells it members that they are not American citizens and may not exercise their rights [View all] Augiedog Sep 2017 OP

While I get where your going Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #1

So if I stood alone in a room and whispered "i support Hillary" and the owner Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #2

Employment at will MichMary Sep 2017 #3

Only in right to work states. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #8

"Right to work" has nothing to do with this Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #10

Um... most employees, in any state, are at-will employees jberryhill Sep 2017 #14

see this question then please Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #15

While the answer to your question may potentially turn on certain state laws . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2017 #4

Unless it is a right to work state, the employer would have to have "legal" conditions Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #7

"Right to work" has absolutely nothing to do with this Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #11

Then my point is even stronger Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #12

No its not Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #16

So political speech is allowed on their terms only, seems like you are saying Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #17

Sure Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #23

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2017 #13

this is incorrect. unblock Sep 2017 #18

So you can be forced to participate in politics, you are forced to show respect to and during Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #21

generally speaking the job is whatever the employer says it is. unblock Sep 2017 #24

The job is whatever they say it is, more or less Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #30

That is not true, especially your second paragraph. George II Sep 2017 #33

Sure it is Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #38

If they decided that I believe they would have to put it in writing as a condition of employment. George II Sep 2017 #39

Nope. Most jobs are at-will. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #41

We can also sneak in the end of "right to work" in must-pass legislation meow2u3 Sep 2017 #42

Alone in a room or a public display in front of customers? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #6

Only a couple of states (California and New York, for example) have laws preventing firing... PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #27

Not if it doesn't interfere with their work or the work of fellow employees. George II Sep 2017 #32

Uhh, yeah, they can. They can dismiss you because they think gingers have no soul, or because.. X_Digger Sep 2017 #35

Not true at all Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #37

Free speech rights protect your rights from infringement by agents of the governemnt. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #5

I understand that. My argument is that they are acting in congruence with and as an agent for the Augiedog Sep 2017 #19

Said otherwise, "NASCAR agrees with Trump and I don't like Trump, so screw NASCAR employer rights" JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #22

So it's like Nazi Germany, no different. SummerSnow Sep 2017 #9

nascar statement.... spanone Sep 2017 #20

People are fired for off the job activities as well MichMan Sep 2017 #25

Yes indeed. cwydro Sep 2017 #40

By the way, NASCAR has very few employees MichMan Sep 2017 #26

Interesting discussion, but..... VMA131Marine Sep 2017 #28

Sure they could bar an individual driver MichMan Sep 2017 #31

Thats a solid argument... brooklynite Sep 2017 #29

The first amendment is a protection from government interference, nothing more. X_Digger Sep 2017 #34

I love nascar and that pisses me off SonofDonald Sep 2017 #36