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patrice

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5. This was pretty frustrating & depressing to watch.

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:02 PM

Jul 2012

They picked a facilitator who was just very "new agey, touchy feely", trying to do group therapy and self-promotion, instead of nuts and bolts stuff. Certain very whiny (sorry!) men took over each meeting. GP leader (a mid-to-upper middle class woman) didn't coalesce with the community service organizations present. The ARM guy actually tried to recruit me, because I was maintaining the database. Some enthusiastic young organizers from our Hispanic community showed up, but they needed US to get it off the ground, so there would be something for them to work with.

It was making me crazy, so I'm not sure I did the best either; stuff went on and on and on and when I'd finally get a chance to try to formulate what I was seeing, somehow we were always out of time.

Poor leadership either not knowing how, or trying to avoid, authentic horizontal empowerment.

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yeah, I watched some of the Green Party thingie on C-SPAN over the weekend cali Jul 2012 #1

I think it's the smug self righteous "we know it all" attitude, and it comes off as elitist. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #3

Our local GP tried to hi-jack a social/economic-justice coalition building effort patrice Jul 2012 #2

"and they tried to hitch a free ride on those actual working" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #4

This was pretty frustrating & depressing to watch. patrice Jul 2012 #5

And that's a real problem. These folks are seen as elitist by Dems and Pukes alike. The "new agey" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #9

Oh, hell! yeah. I knew we were in trouble when the facilitator selection committee picked the guy patrice Jul 2012 #13

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It felt silly. I've done that sort of thing back-when, in my seeker phase A LONG TIME AGO. It also patrice Jul 2012 #29

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All of the ones I know are NICE people, but they seem to have this idea that the whole patrice Jul 2012 #8

Someday, all of the minor parties on the left will need to form a coalition Taverner Jul 2012 #10

Hoping here. patrice Jul 2012 #16

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:) WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #28

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gotta link? Sea-Dog Jul 2012 #78

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