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DFW

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56. You will have that much trouble, so be prepared.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:31 PM
Sep 2017

Make sure you do EVERYTHING by their rules, and be prepared for uncaring bureaucrats denying you things you are entitled to just because saying no makes them able to take their lunch break on time. This is not an exaggeration. I have seen it with my own eyes.

This is one of the reasons I got my daughters U.S. citizenship at birth. They automatically got German citizenship because their mother is German and they were born in Germany. I called the US Embassy and asked what they needed for my infant daughter(s) to receive US citizenship, and did everything immediately as soon as they were born. It was a pain in the ass, but each time, I walked out of the US Embassy the same day I went to register them, and I had their U.S. birth certificates, US Passports and social security numbers in my hands.

As for me, when my intercontinental travel got to be too much, I decided to move my residence over to Germany. Before applying, I went to the bureau for foreigners (Ausländeramt) and asked what I was expected to do. I had to provide proof of marriage to a German citizen (check), proof of employment (check), health insurance (they accepted my US Blue Cross), proof of financial stability--i.e. never having paid into the German system, they wanted to be sure I wouldn't ask for welfare, although they granted exactly that to a few million so-called "exiled Germans" from Eastern Europe in the last few decades who never paid a cent, either. They all got apartments, huge monthly cash allowances, in some cases cars and cell phones paid by the government. My wife, a German social worker, dealt with these people for decades. Most of them got pensions greater than her own. Anyway, though not a relative of the Koch brothers, my bank balance in Dallas convinced them I would not be panhandling at the Bahnhof Zoo in Berlin any time in the near future.

I also had to prove proficiency in German. It took them about 30 seconds to waive that test, as my German is approaching native fluency. If yours is not, work on it. They care, and it makes a BIG difference when they ask you questions if you can answer unhesitatingly in German. If all you know is English, they will give you a hard time. In Boston, if all you know is German, they'd probably give you a hard time, too.

A lot depends on the good or bad mood of the official you land with. The first office I tried for my residence was run by two complete incompetents, and I got nowhere. They gave me some questionnaire in German to fill out. I said no problem. Frustrated that I was OK with their request, they suddenly said, no, no, your employer in Dallas has to fill it out, and they have to do it in German. I said OK, our head of personnel is a native German, she'll have it back to you in a week (she did). They were disappointed, but they couldn't think of any other ways to harass me. The second time I tried (a new office had since opened up nearer to me), I did it all again, and I had my residence and work permit within 8 weeks. Luck of the draw. Get a nice person, and they'll walk you through it. Get an asshole, and you could be Angela Merkel, and they'll still find a way to send you to Turkey on a one-way trip.

Case in point: a year ago, I arrived in Germany from a trip to the States. I know most of the Customs officers at my airport, have worked with them in an official capacity at one time or another. But this was a new guy. He stopped me and asked--in English--what was the purpose of my trip to Germany? I said I had a very solid purpose, namely that I live here. I showed him my residence card. He then said, "but if you live in Germany, the you must speak German." I said, "I do speak German." Then he gave me a hard time, asking why I was speaking in English. I said, "you are the one who started speaking in English. I don't give German customs officials orders regarding what language they are to use. If you want me to speak German, then speak to me in German." He realized that he wasn't getting anywhere, so he pulled the last resort: are you carrying cash? I said, "of course I'm carrying cash. The taxi driver isn't going to drive me home for free." Then he gave up and let me go.

Again, I must stress that the officials here are not by any means all like the idiots I have sometimes had to deal with. But some of them are, and you must be prepared for the worst.

When you come, if they ask the purpose of your visit, say it is to visit a friend, and have a return flight reservation you can show them if they ask. If they ask how long you intend to stay, make it short. 90 days--the max allowable without a visa, will come across as very suspicious. They know full well how long most Americans get in vacation time. If you plan to ask for a residence, do NOT mention this when you arrive from the States. Go to the Ausländeramt and ask what they would need to grant you a residence permit. Make sure you are only making an inquiry out of curiosity, and do not make the request for residence on the spot. Say you have met someone, and are considering it and want to know what the requirements are. Be aware that from the second you are granted a residence, they consider you a tax resident of Germany. They WILL come after you to file a tax return (you must continue to file in the USA as well). Even if you have no income, get advice.

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Is she possibly on a terror watchlist? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1
Thanks for the good advice librechik Sep 2017 #4
I don't know how UK does it JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #2
This sounds very strange leftynyc Sep 2017 #3
no, there is no criminal record or terror connections--no Arab surname, nothing librechik Sep 2017 #6
Oft times best not to give them to much info...only the minimum. brush Sep 2017 #51
I don't know the OPs situation KatyMan Sep 2017 #14
right you are! librechik Sep 2017 #18
Hopefully she's not flagged KatyMan Sep 2017 #21
thanks n/t librechik Sep 2017 #35
Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland for nice eastern European trip aikoaiko Sep 2017 #5
yeah,, but my daughter just wanted to visit her boyfriend in Glasgow librechik Sep 2017 #7
Oh. I see. It's a funky world we live in this days. Xenophobia is rampant almost everywhere. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #22
My daughter went through the same thing... CatMor Sep 2017 #8
Thank you, thank you! librechik Sep 2017 #9
Hopefully it will eventually work for your daughter... CatMor Sep 2017 #10
good to know-- librechik Sep 2017 #16
Nice to hear about your son... CatMor Sep 2017 #19
The resume primarily did your daughter in, as you are not to look for work on a Tourist Visa. nt TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #17
Yes, the resume definitely did my daughter in... CatMor Sep 2017 #20
Questioning designed to catch those coming in as "tourists" but really planning on staying FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #11
A friend of mine recently returned from London blaze Sep 2017 #12
Whaaa? I travel there a lot, have never seen that mainer Sep 2017 #15
Yeah, he was pretty unsettled by it. Posted a screenshot to his FB page. blaze Sep 2017 #23
It's the Scottish boyfriend BainsBane Sep 2017 #13
Not that unusual Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #24
Thank you it's so helpful to know we aren't unique librechik Sep 2017 #36
This has been standard in many countries including the US for decades Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #25
thanks for the perspective, Lee-Lee librechik Sep 2017 #37
Makes Sense ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #42
You can't ever say you want to live there. You have to say you are on vacation. It is also SweetieD Sep 2017 #26
thanks, Sweetie. Of course you're right librechik Sep 2017 #38
Source for this on 7 day claim? metalbot Sep 2017 #63
Never, ever, ever talk at the border about how you want to stay in the country you're entering. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #27
+1 Especially in today's climate. grossproffit Sep 2017 #32
I hope I do not have that much trouble Doreen Sep 2017 #28
You will have that much trouble, so be prepared. DFW Sep 2017 #56
You're both "savvied up," obviously, a huge advantage. Hortensis Sep 2017 #59
I do not understand what you mean. Doreen Sep 2017 #61
Impossible to not be concerned, of course, but doing what you need to. Hortensis Sep 2017 #62
How they hell did they know she was unemployed? DK504 Sep 2017 #29
It appears that she told them. grossproffit Sep 2017 #31
It sounds like they were flagged for being too talkative/friendly. There must be a report, somewhere grossproffit Sep 2017 #30
Maybe this will help... SharonClark Sep 2017 #33
missed by a couple of generations, but thanks for the info, Sharon n/t librechik Sep 2017 #39
I was detained at the Canadian Border...British born HipChick Sep 2017 #34
That seems kind of obvious Spider Jerusalem Sep 2017 #40
yep, more or less--exactly n/t librechik Sep 2017 #46
Yeah my mother talked too much and said the wrong thing and they threw her ass back . Now your lunasun Sep 2017 #41
I'm a Brit married to a US citizen. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #43
Thank you for the helpful post. DDC librechik Sep 2017 #44
She should be fine if she just applies for a visa before the next trip Kentonio Sep 2017 #52
Sorry, was that message intended for me, Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #64
You need sue Gothmog Sep 2017 #45
sue, Goth? librechik Sep 2017 #47
ICE Gothmog Sep 2017 #48
Pretty sure the British immigration folks GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #49
gosh, there was never intent to violate the laws librechik Sep 2017 #50
I thought she told them they intended to live there GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #55
no, she did--she just didn't know that was wrong. librechik Sep 2017 #57
did she have a local address in the UK where she would be staying? And how long before her passport DrDan Sep 2017 #53
Young women travelling alone get a lot of scrutiny from UK Border Force Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #54
The last time I traveled to the UK, in the mid-80s, MineralMan Sep 2017 #58
Wow. nt Still Blue in PDX Sep 2017 #65
Happens here in Canada as well. Indicate you want to live here EllieBC Sep 2017 #60
This summer TuxedoKat Sep 2017 #66
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