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ProudLib72

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24. Would you go to China to view the art and then condemn it?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:13 PM
Sep 2017

It's your right not to like it, even to be disgusted by it. But you have to judge the art based on the values of the culture that produced it. The post above about Chinese eating dogs makes a good point. I wouldn't eat a dog, and you probably wouldn't either. However, China has been eating dogs for two thousand years (look up the history of the Chow Chow). It is part of their tradition, their culture. The Guggenheim is bringing that culture over here. It is out of context, and that must be appreciated. In China no one would think this is torture or abuse of animals.

For instance, suppose you created a work of art that depicted a family sitting down to eat a steak dinner. No big deal, right? Take that work of art over to India to display and you will have a riot. Who is right? Americans eat steak all the time. Indians view the cow as sacred. Two cultures. Two norms. Two very different ways of viewing the art.

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This "art work" MAKES ME ILL. a kennedy Sep 2017 #1
The animals have no say in their participation -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #2
I Question The Artistic Merit In The First Place ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #3
Using live animals? rusty fender Sep 2017 #4
More info here. WillowTree Sep 2017 #5
The Chinese eat dogs HAB911 Sep 2017 #6
The precise relevance to the OP being...? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #8
They could not care less? HAB911 Sep 2017 #13
Highly inefficient. nt. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #11
And Americans eat factory farmed cows, pigs and chickens that suffer throughout their Ninsianna Sep 2017 #36
Meh, it's time for cultural relativism ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #7
How precisely does you rationalize the abuse of animals for mere art? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #9
I'm siding with the sentient, tortured beings, who happen to be non-human. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #10
What constitutes "torture" or "abuse" in China? ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #12
Torture and abuse are wrong no matter who does it. n/t Coventina Sep 2017 #14
These Chinese artists are not torturing and/or abusing nt ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #16
If You Say So ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #18
Did the Chinese tell you that? ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #20
First Rule of Getting Out Of A Hole Is To Quit Digging ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #21
So quit digging because you are wrong ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #23
Yes, they most certainly are. Coventina Sep 2017 #26
I do judge them. They are exterminating elephants to carve trinkets. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #17
3 billion people disagree with you. That's the point ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #19
Lol, my value judgment has everything to do with how I view their work! MoonRiver Sep 2017 #22
Would you go to China to view the art and then condemn it? ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #24
I don't eat meat, ever, no exceptions. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #25
Well, from one vegetarian to another ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #28
Dog fighting was common in the USA until about 40 years ago. Blue_true Sep 2017 #30
I don't respect them for that cruel attitude. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #31
As China has gotten a larger middleclass, citizens there are challenging Blue_true Sep 2017 #32
I don't care how many billions of people think torture is OK. It's not. Coventina Sep 2017 #27
Refer to post 24 ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #29
Morality is not relative. n/t Coventina Sep 2017 #33
That's according to you but not me ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #35
Causing an another creature harm in the name of entertainment is sick, culture is Coventina Sep 2017 #37
What do you want to do about it? ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #38
Cruelty is not "culture." Human beings from every culture have been guilty of it. I'm not "angry" Coventina Sep 2017 #39
kick for the afternoon crowd Coventina Sep 2017 #15
LOL, "What was the Guggenheim thinking?" Nevernose Sep 2017 #34
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