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In reply to the discussion: Universal health care "concern trolls" . . [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)263. You seem to be confusing "Universal Health Care" and "single-payer."
It's a common mistake here on DU.
This will clarify things for you:
But there are several paths to universal health care coverage. Single-payer can be one of them but it isnt the only one. Indeed, many countries have reached the goal using methodologies other than single-payer, including varying blends of public and private coverage.
Too many progressives and others fail to distinguish between universal coverage and single-payer. The terms are used interchangeably in private conversations and in the national arena.
Too many progressives and others fail to distinguish between universal coverage and single-payer. The terms are used interchangeably in private conversations and in the national arena.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/9/8/16271888/health-care-single-payer-aca-democratic-agenda
Striving for UHC is right there in the Democratic Platform - so I hope that clears up the misunderstanding you have about the Democratic position on universal healthcare coverage:
Securing Universal Health Care
Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. As part of that guarantee, Americans should be able to access public coverage through a public option, and those over 55 should be able to opt in to Medicare. Democrats will empower the states, which are the true laboratories of democracy, to use innovation waivers under the ACA to develop unique locally tailored approaches to health coverage. This will include removing barriers to states which seek to experiment with plans to ensure universal health care to every person in their state. By contrast, Donald Trump wants to repeal the ACA, leaving tens of millions of Americans without coverage.
For too many of us, health care costs are still too high, even for those with insurance. And medical debt is a problem for far too many working families, with one-quarter of Americans reporting that they or someone in their household had problems or an inability to pay medical bills in the past year. Democrats will also work to end surprise billing and other practices that lead to out-of-control medical debt that place an unconscionable economic strain on American households. We will repeal the excise tax on high-cost health insurance and find revenue to offset it because we need to contain the long-term growth of health care costs, but should not risk passing on too much of the burden to workers. Democrats will keep costs down by making premiums more affordable, reducing out-of-pocket expenses, and capping prescription drug costs. And we will fight against insurers trying to impose excessive premium increases.
Democrats will fight any attempts by Republicans in Congress to privatize, voucherize, or phase out Medicare as we know it. And we will oppose Republican plans to slash funding and block grant Medicaid and SNAP, which would harm millions of Americans.
We will keep fighting until the ACAs Medicaid expansion has been adopted in every state. Nineteen states have not yet expanded Medicaid. This means that millions of low-income Americans still lack health insurance and are not getting the care they need. Additionally, health care providers, clinics, hospitals, and taxpayers are footing a higher bill when people without insurance visit expensive emergency rooms.
Democrats believe your zip code or census tract should not be a predictor of your health, which is why we will make health equity a central part of our commitment to revitalizing communities left behind. Democrats believe that all health care services should be culturally and linguistically appropriate, and that neither fear nor immigration status should be barriers that impede health care access.
Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. As part of that guarantee, Americans should be able to access public coverage through a public option, and those over 55 should be able to opt in to Medicare. Democrats will empower the states, which are the true laboratories of democracy, to use innovation waivers under the ACA to develop unique locally tailored approaches to health coverage. This will include removing barriers to states which seek to experiment with plans to ensure universal health care to every person in their state. By contrast, Donald Trump wants to repeal the ACA, leaving tens of millions of Americans without coverage.
For too many of us, health care costs are still too high, even for those with insurance. And medical debt is a problem for far too many working families, with one-quarter of Americans reporting that they or someone in their household had problems or an inability to pay medical bills in the past year. Democrats will also work to end surprise billing and other practices that lead to out-of-control medical debt that place an unconscionable economic strain on American households. We will repeal the excise tax on high-cost health insurance and find revenue to offset it because we need to contain the long-term growth of health care costs, but should not risk passing on too much of the burden to workers. Democrats will keep costs down by making premiums more affordable, reducing out-of-pocket expenses, and capping prescription drug costs. And we will fight against insurers trying to impose excessive premium increases.
Democrats will fight any attempts by Republicans in Congress to privatize, voucherize, or phase out Medicare as we know it. And we will oppose Republican plans to slash funding and block grant Medicaid and SNAP, which would harm millions of Americans.
We will keep fighting until the ACAs Medicaid expansion has been adopted in every state. Nineteen states have not yet expanded Medicaid. This means that millions of low-income Americans still lack health insurance and are not getting the care they need. Additionally, health care providers, clinics, hospitals, and taxpayers are footing a higher bill when people without insurance visit expensive emergency rooms.
Democrats believe your zip code or census tract should not be a predictor of your health, which is why we will make health equity a central part of our commitment to revitalizing communities left behind. Democrats believe that all health care services should be culturally and linguistically appropriate, and that neither fear nor immigration status should be barriers that impede health care access.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#healthcare
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All the Democrats or people who support Democrats that I know and who are active online....
George II
Sep 2017
#186
Exactly, which makes you wonder about the third party angle. Promoting third parties
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#191
It's the Our Revolution revelation. Some are skeptical because Nina Turner has said...
brush
Sep 2017
#213
Many of the countries that have universal healthcare, like Switzerland and Canada,
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#33
No, the timing was the worst possible, because it served as a distraction from the ACA
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#111
Exactly, it's the same distraction as in 1993 when he didn't support UNIVERSAL health care
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#135
What a convoluted way to finally agree with what everyone has been telling you--
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#181
Hillarycare would have been a disaster. Bernie's precision plan is much simpler...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#197
John Dingell Sr. introduced a form of universal healthcare and single payer back in 1943....
George II
Sep 2017
#188
Yes they do -- which proves that a system using a mixture of public and private insurance
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#216
And the ACA provided for universal insurance guaranteed and regulated by elected people.
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#247
And neither of those are countries of 320+ million people. Denmark has a population of 5.7M...
George II
Sep 2017
#170
Why are you so concerned (oh that word!) about my personal life and why are you....
George II
Sep 2017
#194
It isn't actually. It's a WAY to get to universal healthcare, but it's just payment system, one
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#210
Exactly. Not a person on here is against Universal Health Care. The real trolling..
JHan
Sep 2017
#20
From a VERY short search I just did, the U.S. has aprox 2.3 doctors/1000 people.
ret5hd
Sep 2017
#73
Not to mention our ability to train physician assistants, nurse practitioners, etc.
KPN
Sep 2017
#86
I looked at your links and they didnt offer any depth. It was amusement, not hostility
ismnotwasm
Sep 2017
#112
Ismnotwasm is a professional in the field. Maybe learn something from her rather than dismissing
Squinch
Sep 2017
#159
Poor you. You reply to her with dismissal and snark but it's really hard when people call you on it.
Squinch
Sep 2017
#252
Yep, I am in that camp...putting out MFA gives the GOP cover and could lead to its demise.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#75
Not true. Monday night is one time, one night. "Many insist" (or say).Yeah, we know the provenance.
WinkyDink
Sep 2017
#192
Not on the back burner. Wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs can no longer repeal...
brush
Sep 2017
#214
That has little to do with the fact that there is now a faction here who insist on calling everyone
Squinch
Sep 2017
#28
Details are certainly important, but, of course, when the shoe is on the other foot...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#196
I don't even know what that means. It's a healthcare plan. What kind of moron would one have
Squinch
Sep 2017
#198
The ACA is currently in crisis mode. Most DUers are responding appropriately and trying
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#35
Read DU posts on the topic -- has nothing to do with Bernie and other supports but . . .
ATL Ebony
Sep 2017
#127
always being quick with a reason why this isn't the right time, or this isn't the right plan is the
JCanete
Sep 2017
#229
There are a number of issues with the feasibility of 'single payer' AT THIS TIME...
yallerdawg
Sep 2017
#12
Big Phar is but 10% of healthcare expenditures. There are lots of other groups profiting from our
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#58
I think I'm stating the obvious, but on here it has zero to do with universal health care...
vi5
Sep 2017
#16
This is complete bullshit and you know it is. There is not a soul here that is opposed
Squinch
Sep 2017
#19
Did you read the article? It's lists 3 types of trolls. Most are in this exact thread!
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#43
"Once in office, Bill Clinton quickly set up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform,
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#53
The article itself is nothing but an ad hominem attack. It has nothing to do with the plan, it has
Squinch
Sep 2017
#74
I agree. The writer calling people "trolls" and ascribing nefarious motives is a weak response
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#31
It works everywhere else on the planet beautifully. All this "how would it be financed" concern
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#32
Not true. Many of the countries whose universal systems work well are NOT single payer.
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#37
The Vox article acknowledges that private insurance is a PART of the Canadian system.
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#49
Look, there is no final proposal right now. It will go through many, many changes
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#57
But in the meantime no one is allowed to ask any questions about it, lest they be labeled trolls.
Squinch
Sep 2017
#67
Oh, no! No one is allowed to discuss it! According to you, if I ask a question, I'm a troll.
Squinch
Sep 2017
#84
And I'll say again, this is a thread in which it was stated that anyone who asks questions is a
Squinch
Sep 2017
#108
It won't go through any changes because it won't happen without a super majority
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#90
I'm fighting for those who are a lot younger than I am. I already have good HC
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#107
Well, from everything I have read, Sanders proposal is even better than Canada's
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#69
No. It's NOT a fake concern. We have a newly proposed program that would be huge.
Squinch
Sep 2017
#65
Again, getting bogged down with the details of a plan that won't pass a Republican congress
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#96
What is happening in this thread is some people calling their allies trolls because they
Squinch
Sep 2017
#120
Actually, the vast majority of Universal Health Care on the planet is multi-payer.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#269
I am also a troll. I object to single payer, m4a being proposed AT THIS POINT.
sprinkleeninow
Sep 2017
#215
The OP is an outright distortion and falsehoods. Perhaps the OP wasn't aware of those DEMOCRATS who
still_one
Sep 2017
#41
Ok, here is your clarity ALERT. Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states
still_one
Sep 2017
#241
Brilliant! and that disingenuous ass Johnson is just trying to cloud "universal health care"
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#242
You are absolutely right RB. We have 5 days to call Senators to hopefully motivate them to prevent
still_one
Sep 2017
#244
Yet the reality is that the Clinton's introduced Universal Health Care way back in 1993
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#44
Yet looking back on that time period, others introduced their own competing plans,
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#60
Now we find out that although not a concern troll, you don't like the Medicare system?
rgbecker
Sep 2017
#195
This is the first you have heard that providers aren't thrilled with Medicare? That's not exactly
Squinch
Sep 2017
#201
Article also says, "Some have valid reasons to question . . . . . Sanders methods in particular."
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#71
So now questions about policy are bad, we should be an echo chamber and trust politicians?
betsuni
Sep 2017
#147
Yeah, health care policy experts are all in the pocket of the GOP and the oligharchy....
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#153
I wonder if Adam Johnson realizes that because of what happened in 2016, M4All is on hold for at
still_one
Sep 2017
#168
Big insurance companies would lose lots of money-they also donate to campaigns.
jalan48
Sep 2017
#172
"The term "concern trolls" was used during the election to diminish those concerns raised by people
politicaljunkie41910
Sep 2017
#175
There are many examples of other countries have nonprofit health care.
riverbendviewgal
Sep 2017
#203
I guess that platform is hard to read, much easier to link to propaganda and lies.
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#249
Yes. Hey, Fairwinds, how about names for the "some" few Dems who are so infuriating
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#255
For review: Bill Clinton ran on universal health care in 1992. It's been part of the
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#246
I guess the "real" democrat of 45 years, who is demanding papers, like a good
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#262