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NurseJackie

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16. Yes. Compromise and finding common ground is key. For the life of me, I'll NEVER understand...

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:43 AM

Sep 2017

... why it is that there are SOME people who believe that it's a "positive" thing to LOSE GROUND and to GO BACKWARD due to an unwillingness to find common ground.

That's the exact opposite of what "progressive" means, right?

I can only shake my head in disbelief at those who seem so PROUD of themselves for never giving an inch. People are still as bad-off (or worse) than before, yet some vanity-driven political types bask in the praise and approval. They believe that the status-quo is a victory.

#Sigh
#Sad
#Stubborn
#Vanity

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What would LBJ do to pass health care reform? [View all] ehrnst Sep 2017 OP

So interesting! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #1

There's a lot that can be said about Johnson, some good, some bad, but he knew how Congress worked Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 #2

If only Congress still worked like that. Orsino Sep 2017 #4

Actually, it's a matter of costs. He had to lie about it ehrnst Sep 2017 #6

No, it's really not a matter of costs. Orsino Sep 2017 #8

Um... Yes, Medicare and Medicaid would not have been passed if he had not lied about the costs. ehrnst Sep 2017 #9

Sure. But the OP asked how Zombie LBJ would pass healthcare reform *now*. Orsino Sep 2017 #10

No, actually how zombie LBJ would pass health reform in 2009. ehrnst Sep 2017 #14

We *know* that cost is an excuse as well as a factor. Orsino Sep 2017 #17

A low CBO score is not an "excuse" ehrnst Sep 2017 #18

You're talking honest numbers. Orsino Sep 2017 #25

Are you saying that the CBO would not be honest? ehrnst Sep 2017 #27

Not at all. CBO has some of the best data and analysis. Orsino Sep 2017 #31

I was talking about the first repeal attempt ehrnst Sep 2017 #32

Oh. Even there I would disagree that the CBO was a big factor. Orsino Sep 2017 #35

The CBO score was the main talking point in the media... ehrnst Sep 2017 #36

Yes. I just doubt it was a big deal. Orsino Sep 2017 #48

What do you define as "a big deal" in terms of taking a bill ehrnst Sep 2017 #51

I have no data suggesting that it was the CBO score, or reporting on it... Orsino Sep 2017 #64

You said that you thought that people weren't paying attention to the CBO numbers ehrnst Sep 2017 #66

I think the news covered the basic facts pretty well... Orsino Sep 2017 #67

So "unimportant" that theCBO number of uninsured by 2020 were included in the headlines? ehrnst Sep 2017 #68

Yep. n/t Orsino Sep 2017 #69

In the case of Johnson, I think it was more a matter of hiding the truth than outright lying. George II Sep 2017 #12

"Supressing the costs" I think counts as a lie. ehrnst Sep 2017 #15

"He got things done." Exactly. He was a tremendous big thinker and doer. Hortensis Sep 2017 #47

He had functional majorities in both houses Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #60

He also knew what skeletons were in various congressional closets. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #3

One would have to have known those other politicians to know what skeletons there were ehrnst Sep 2017 #11

Sigh, that kind of power should be available. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #13

It requires relationship building, not simply yelling and dominating the conversation. ehrnst Sep 2017 #20

LBJ worked hard to build consensus. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #40

"one would have to make friends, alliances and work in a team". JHan Sep 2017 #50

Johnson was a master at compromise NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #5

Politicians who show distain of actual politic-ing aren't usually very effective at the job. ehrnst Sep 2017 #7

Yes. Compromise and finding common ground is key. For the life of me, I'll NEVER understand... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #16

Taking the "progress" out of "progressive" doesn't ehrnst Sep 2017 #19

Do you mean when he was Majority leader of the Senate? jalan48 Sep 2017 #21

No, he passed it when he was president, and this was written in 2009 ehrnst Sep 2017 #23

Sounds like Sanders needs to get elected President and use that power to get things done. jalan48 Sep 2017 #24

Perhaps if he was more like LBJ and Obama, he would be successful at that. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #26

We shall see. No word from him on 2020 yet. jalan48 Sep 2017 #28

You think he will become more like LBJ and/or Obama in the meantime? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #29

You mean LBJ and Obama when they were in the Senate? jalan48 Sep 2017 #30

Yes, and when they ran for POTUS. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #33

We're back to LBJ being Majority leader of the Senate-a position of power which Sanders does not jalan48 Sep 2017 #34

I was talking about the characteristics that got them respect ehrnst Sep 2017 #37

Actually you're doing an apples and oranges thing. jalan48 Sep 2017 #38

Actually you are... ehrnst Sep 2017 #39

Not really. You're ignoring the power relationships going on in your comparison. jalan48 Sep 2017 #43

You are bending over backwards to avoid the question in any way you can think of. ehrnst Sep 2017 #44

LOL-pretzel logic. jalan48 Sep 2017 #45

Whatever makes you feel better about avoiding the question... ehrnst Sep 2017 #46

I would politely suggest that like LBJ GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #55

my take. JHan Sep 2017 #56

Hear, hear. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #57

Obama spent all of three years in the Senate. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #61

To clarify: ehrnst Sep 2017 #63

Threaten to show us his scar again? louis-t Sep 2017 #22

He'd lean on em and stare em down struggle4progress Sep 2017 #41

LOL! Or threaten to show them his scar... ehrnst Sep 2017 #42

the realities of politics, this is why experience is important..this is how you get shit done. JHan Sep 2017 #49

Forgot something atreides1 Sep 2017 #52

+1000 ehrnst Sep 2017 #53

He would increase the bombing rusty fender Sep 2017 #54

I was referencing Sanders' talking of LBJs achievement of Medicare and Medicaid ehrnst Sep 2017 #59

At least LBJ ended up wracked with guilt such that he wouldn't run for re-election. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #62

Great post, ehrnst. brer cat Sep 2017 #58

Nowadays? Possibly kick a few of them in the balls. LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #65