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Not Ruth

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9. The benefits outweigh the downsides

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Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:26 AM

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"Broken supply chain" in Puerto Rico? How about air drops? [View all] panader0 Sep 2017 OP

How are the locals supposed to reach the air drops? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1

Drop them right into the area. panader0 Sep 2017 #3

In Vietnam we had dust offs using C130's wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #7

Designated drop areas B2G Sep 2017 #11

Which means dropping people and vehicles also Not Ruth Sep 2017 #14

Yep, no good answers. B2G Sep 2017 #16

Call up units of the National Guard Kaleva Sep 2017 #49

Puerto Rico has 8400 of their own Guardmen. B2G Sep 2017 #51

You need the troops to build shelters for the civilians Kaleva Sep 2017 #53

Yes, but you need to be able to support them in theater. B2G Sep 2017 #55

It's been a week now. There's no excuse. Kaleva Sep 2017 #60

Their ports and airports were decimated. B2G Sep 2017 #61

Too many people think it should look like a Hollywood movie in how it gets done Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #65

So frustrating. B2G Sep 2017 #66

There's a reason I'm here less and less Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #70

Neither of which you need to helo in troops, their equipment and supplies Kaleva Sep 2017 #67

so ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #81

Its been a week since the hurricane and it's been quite safe to sail for days now. Kaleva Sep 2017 #91

no ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #101

Were you in the Navy? Kaleva Sep 2017 #106

There's a closed Naval Air Station (Roosevelt Roads) dgibby Sep 2017 #69

They've already reopened it. B2G Sep 2017 #71

But it does take time to get them in place in a self-sufficient manner Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #105

If your goal is not to offer help, Lindsay Sep 2017 #2

Exactly TEB Sep 2017 #4

Dropping in the 82nd means you have marybourg Sep 2017 #8

Yes but eighty deuce is my old alma mater TEB Sep 2017 #13

To do what exactly? Baconator Sep 2017 #30

Supplies TEB Sep 2017 #34

You got a year? The list of what extra hands can do is long and obvious uponit7771 Sep 2017 #35

Security is an issue but not the biggest... Baconator Sep 2017 #37

Point being we have resources they just need to be organized and called up and make sure its uponit7771 Sep 2017 #38

That's just fucking lazy... Baconator Sep 2017 #39

Lazy is Trump gives a shit ... Captain fuck up has fucked up again, that's clear folk can argue ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #42

I doubt that civilians would be harmed TEB Sep 2017 #54

Dropping in an airborne unit is going to involve casualties metalbot Sep 2017 #77

Agree TEB Sep 2017 #78

It makes more sense to use drones to deliver supplies directly to people Not Ruth Sep 2017 #5

Drones cannot carry nearly as much weight as one parachute. panader0 Sep 2017 #6

The benefits outweigh the downsides Not Ruth Sep 2017 #9

Not enough atreides1 Sep 2017 #20

Yeah but we care if a sling load lands on a Puerto Rican... Baconator Sep 2017 #32

Bottom line if we stuck FEMA chiefs in the middle of shit, no water and 120 heat and kept them uponit7771 Sep 2017 #40

so many armchair FEMA directors on DU lately Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #10

No kidding. nt B2G Sep 2017 #12

And while things are dreadful in Puerto Rico, B2G Sep 2017 #15

lots of professional outrage moments Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #17

Couldn't agree more. B2G Sep 2017 #18

I keep expecting "why isn't there an app for recovery planning?" kind of thing Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #19

LMAO! B2G Sep 2017 #21

Yeah, but Puerto Rico isn't continental US, so they can't becoming a FEMA Prime member! Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #22

Drats. Foiled. B2G Sep 2017 #23

we can get weathermen from the Weather channel bdamomma Sep 2017 #50

How many should have been sent in prior? B2G Sep 2017 #52

Yes, I knew bdamomma Sep 2017 #100

I don't think many people sarisataka Sep 2017 #24

Exactly. And I don't really begrudge them that either because Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #25

Does the UN step in at some point? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #26

Typically the UN doesn't step in sarisataka Sep 2017 #29

+1 FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #27

Oh those folks needed to be throttled Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #36

Absolutely... Baconator Sep 2017 #33

I'm not going to excuse Captain Fuck Up and The Tow Down KKKlan from their obvious fuck up here uponit7771 Sep 2017 #44

+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2017 #45

The sky is big. Orsino Sep 2017 #28

drones???? niyad Sep 2017 #31

Do you have any idea the logistics it takes for an air drop? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #41

Stop harshing our buzz. B2G Sep 2017 #46

We've done hard things before, take competent leadership and America doesn't have that now uponit7771 Sep 2017 #62

So in other words, you don't know Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #72

Nope but it sounds like we BOTH agree that its possible but hard. With better leadership ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #74

So how would it have been done? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #75

We already agree that it can be done and that it would be hard right? tia uponit7771 Sep 2017 #82

You clearly did comprehend what I explained Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #83

You're wasting your breath. B2G Sep 2017 #86

1. No on said just airplanes 2. Ad hom via condescension is an indicator of a weak position, it was uponit7771 Sep 2017 #89

What are you airdropping from if you don't mean airplanes?? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #96

Ask Gen Honore' he suggested airdrops also. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #98

Here's how they treated Haiti (link) uponit7771 Sep 2017 #99

yea Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #104

The Berlin airlifts tazkcmo Sep 2017 #43

A few differences Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #47

The point is tazkcmo Sep 2017 #48

It's actually very complicated Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #56

Actually, the point is that it actually is science Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #57

yes and no, gejohnston Sep 2017 #58

The workhorse of the Berlin Airlist was the C-54 Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #68

The Berlin Airlift began two days after the blockade began. Kaleva Sep 2017 #80

You know way more than these morons about logistics malaise Sep 2017 #59

So now you're as disaster relief specialist? B2G Sep 2017 #63

"Oh, it can't be done! It's better to let the supplies sit on panader0 Sep 2017 #76

It seems as if some want to make the good the enemy of the perfect. panader0 Sep 2017 #64

So you airdrop enough for 50 instead of flying to an airport enough for 250 Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #73

Why either/or? Adrahil Sep 2017 #84

Are you taking helicopters or airdrops? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #94

Yeah, I've worked in aviation for Adrahil Sep 2017 #97

+1. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #107

They could air drop gasoline, vehicles, and even bulldozers if they wanted to. lunatica Sep 2017 #79

brilliant Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #85

Well I mean look at the screen name. B2G Sep 2017 #87

Stay classy lunatica Sep 2017 #95

You could do it the exact same way the military do lunatica Sep 2017 #90

As posted above Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #102

Special forces are designed to OkSustainAg Sep 2017 #88

I started watching for this a week ago! Terrible! nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #92

We own the seas krispos42 Sep 2017 #93

damn right..they do this all the time for unreachable areas... samnsara Sep 2017 #103