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Kaleva

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91. Its been a week since the hurricane and it's been quite safe to sail for days now.

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:09 PM

Sep 2017

Yes it took weeks of planning during WWII for an amphibious operation but they had to account for the resistance of thousands of hard fighting Japanese who would do everything they could to stop the Americans from bringing troops and supplies ashore and build airbases.

Puerto Rico is much closer to the US then the Solomons, Guam, the Philippines, Iwo Jima are and we aren't facing suicidal defenders either.

And as it was known that Puerto Rico was going to be hit hard a few days before it actually happened, the planning and preperation should have begun then.

I was in the Navy when Hurricane Hugo hit South Carolina. Every ship at the Charleston naval base that could get underway did so and we bounced around out there like corks but that was safer then staying tied to the pier.

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"Broken supply chain" in Puerto Rico? How about air drops? [View all] panader0 Sep 2017 OP

How are the locals supposed to reach the air drops? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1

Drop them right into the area. panader0 Sep 2017 #3

In Vietnam we had dust offs using C130's wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #7

Designated drop areas B2G Sep 2017 #11

Which means dropping people and vehicles also Not Ruth Sep 2017 #14

Yep, no good answers. B2G Sep 2017 #16

Call up units of the National Guard Kaleva Sep 2017 #49

Puerto Rico has 8400 of their own Guardmen. B2G Sep 2017 #51

You need the troops to build shelters for the civilians Kaleva Sep 2017 #53

Yes, but you need to be able to support them in theater. B2G Sep 2017 #55

It's been a week now. There's no excuse. Kaleva Sep 2017 #60

Their ports and airports were decimated. B2G Sep 2017 #61

Too many people think it should look like a Hollywood movie in how it gets done Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #65

So frustrating. B2G Sep 2017 #66

There's a reason I'm here less and less Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #70

Neither of which you need to helo in troops, their equipment and supplies Kaleva Sep 2017 #67

so ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #81

Its been a week since the hurricane and it's been quite safe to sail for days now. Kaleva Sep 2017 #91

no ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #101

Were you in the Navy? Kaleva Sep 2017 #106

There's a closed Naval Air Station (Roosevelt Roads) dgibby Sep 2017 #69

They've already reopened it. B2G Sep 2017 #71

But it does take time to get them in place in a self-sufficient manner Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #105

If your goal is not to offer help, Lindsay Sep 2017 #2

Exactly TEB Sep 2017 #4

Dropping in the 82nd means you have marybourg Sep 2017 #8

Yes but eighty deuce is my old alma mater TEB Sep 2017 #13

To do what exactly? Baconator Sep 2017 #30

Supplies TEB Sep 2017 #34

You got a year? The list of what extra hands can do is long and obvious uponit7771 Sep 2017 #35

Security is an issue but not the biggest... Baconator Sep 2017 #37

Point being we have resources they just need to be organized and called up and make sure its uponit7771 Sep 2017 #38

That's just fucking lazy... Baconator Sep 2017 #39

Lazy is Trump gives a shit ... Captain fuck up has fucked up again, that's clear folk can argue ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #42

I doubt that civilians would be harmed TEB Sep 2017 #54

Dropping in an airborne unit is going to involve casualties metalbot Sep 2017 #77

Agree TEB Sep 2017 #78

It makes more sense to use drones to deliver supplies directly to people Not Ruth Sep 2017 #5

Drones cannot carry nearly as much weight as one parachute. panader0 Sep 2017 #6

The benefits outweigh the downsides Not Ruth Sep 2017 #9

Not enough atreides1 Sep 2017 #20

Yeah but we care if a sling load lands on a Puerto Rican... Baconator Sep 2017 #32

Bottom line if we stuck FEMA chiefs in the middle of shit, no water and 120 heat and kept them uponit7771 Sep 2017 #40

so many armchair FEMA directors on DU lately Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #10

No kidding. nt B2G Sep 2017 #12

And while things are dreadful in Puerto Rico, B2G Sep 2017 #15

lots of professional outrage moments Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #17

Couldn't agree more. B2G Sep 2017 #18

I keep expecting "why isn't there an app for recovery planning?" kind of thing Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #19

LMAO! B2G Sep 2017 #21

Yeah, but Puerto Rico isn't continental US, so they can't becoming a FEMA Prime member! Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #22

Drats. Foiled. B2G Sep 2017 #23

we can get weathermen from the Weather channel bdamomma Sep 2017 #50

How many should have been sent in prior? B2G Sep 2017 #52

Yes, I knew bdamomma Sep 2017 #100

I don't think many people sarisataka Sep 2017 #24

Exactly. And I don't really begrudge them that either because Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #25

Does the UN step in at some point? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #26

Typically the UN doesn't step in sarisataka Sep 2017 #29

+1 FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #27

Oh those folks needed to be throttled Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #36

Absolutely... Baconator Sep 2017 #33

I'm not going to excuse Captain Fuck Up and The Tow Down KKKlan from their obvious fuck up here uponit7771 Sep 2017 #44

+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2017 #45

The sky is big. Orsino Sep 2017 #28

drones???? niyad Sep 2017 #31

Do you have any idea the logistics it takes for an air drop? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #41

Stop harshing our buzz. B2G Sep 2017 #46

We've done hard things before, take competent leadership and America doesn't have that now uponit7771 Sep 2017 #62

So in other words, you don't know Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #72

Nope but it sounds like we BOTH agree that its possible but hard. With better leadership ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #74

So how would it have been done? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #75

We already agree that it can be done and that it would be hard right? tia uponit7771 Sep 2017 #82

You clearly did comprehend what I explained Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #83

You're wasting your breath. B2G Sep 2017 #86

1. No on said just airplanes 2. Ad hom via condescension is an indicator of a weak position, it was uponit7771 Sep 2017 #89

What are you airdropping from if you don't mean airplanes?? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #96

Ask Gen Honore' he suggested airdrops also. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #98

Here's how they treated Haiti (link) uponit7771 Sep 2017 #99

yea Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #104

The Berlin airlifts tazkcmo Sep 2017 #43

A few differences Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #47

The point is tazkcmo Sep 2017 #48

It's actually very complicated Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #56

Actually, the point is that it actually is science Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #57

yes and no, gejohnston Sep 2017 #58

The workhorse of the Berlin Airlist was the C-54 Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #68

The Berlin Airlift began two days after the blockade began. Kaleva Sep 2017 #80

You know way more than these morons about logistics malaise Sep 2017 #59

So now you're as disaster relief specialist? B2G Sep 2017 #63

"Oh, it can't be done! It's better to let the supplies sit on panader0 Sep 2017 #76

It seems as if some want to make the good the enemy of the perfect. panader0 Sep 2017 #64

So you airdrop enough for 50 instead of flying to an airport enough for 250 Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #73

Why either/or? Adrahil Sep 2017 #84

Are you taking helicopters or airdrops? Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #94

Yeah, I've worked in aviation for Adrahil Sep 2017 #97

+1. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #107

They could air drop gasoline, vehicles, and even bulldozers if they wanted to. lunatica Sep 2017 #79

brilliant Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #85

Well I mean look at the screen name. B2G Sep 2017 #87

Stay classy lunatica Sep 2017 #95

You could do it the exact same way the military do lunatica Sep 2017 #90

As posted above Lurker Deluxe Sep 2017 #102

Special forces are designed to OkSustainAg Sep 2017 #88

I started watching for this a week ago! Terrible! nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #92

We own the seas krispos42 Sep 2017 #93

damn right..they do this all the time for unreachable areas... samnsara Sep 2017 #103