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217. .and after Hefner, women are STILL being called 'sluts"

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 07:09 AM

Sep 2017

and *whores" for doing the same things men do!....How "liberating".!

btw, it's easy NOT being "uptight" when you:re not the target of such slurs, not to mention some other vulnerabilities like pregnancy, rape, etc. .. Just sayin'.

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Hugh Hefner was the ultimate enemy of women no feminist anywhere will shed a tear at his death [View all] niyad Sep 2017 OP

Thank you! K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #1

you are most welcome--I have been sickened reading the articles about what great things he did. niyad Sep 2017 #2

It is even worse when you consider he was a liberal when it came to race, at least for the times. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #4

People are complicated Dorian Gray Sep 2017 #204

He was liberal when it didn't inconvenience HIM whathehell Sep 2017 #211

Or this Dorian Gray Sep 2017 #310

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left' whathehell Sep 2017 #209

You are not kidding. DLevine Sep 2017 #213

Agreed.. whathehell Sep 2017 #320

absolutely correct. we see it daily, even in places where one would not expect it. niyad Sep 2017 #242

I have read various articles on this topic on a number of liberal blogs and websites. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #262

should not be surprising. we certainly saw enough of it during the campaign. niyad Sep 2017 #263

Yes... whathehell Sep 2017 #322

Yes whathehell Sep 2017 #319

So have I. Yeah, what a humanitarian he was. If you don't consider women part of the human race. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #6

Lots of mansplaining going on in those threads... Phentex Sep 2017 #141

Meanwhile this one channels a non-apologetic TERF author Major Nikon Sep 2017 #167

Clearly a SWERF as well Lordquinton Sep 2017 #193

OMG yes. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #243

I'm with you Dorian Gray Sep 2017 #203

I have to admit, I am kind of disgusted by so many on this board lauding him as a hero. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #3

sadly, you are quite correct. niyad Sep 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #9

Me three... fuck Hugh!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #234

Too bad. MicaelS Sep 2017 #25

You are right. They are free to objectify women if they want. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #29

Nobody's trying to take your paper girlfriends away from you. PassingFair Sep 2017 #36

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #38

Proposition should be legal? Nt raccoon Sep 2017 #46

Haven't You Heard of the Dangers of a Dangling Proposition? Stallion Sep 2017 #50

DOH!!!!! corrected thanks. n/t MicaelS Sep 2017 #55

Yes, women get to make all of the rules about what happens to their bodies. Sorry that bothers you. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #48

Women do indeed have the right to make all the rules about their bodies... brooklynite Sep 2017 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #61

Her body her choice only applies in cases of pregnancy it seems Fullduplexxx Sep 2017 #82

really????? that is why there are so many laws making her "choice" next to impossible?????? niyad Sep 2017 #253

My point is her body her choice just as with abortion . If she wants to pose nude Fullduplexxx Sep 2017 #274

you really do not get it. address, if you please, the concept of "choice" when the pukes niyad Oct 2017 #324

I get what youre saying... but not all states ban it and the u.s. isnt the only country Fullduplexxx Oct 2017 #325

wow, you keep demonstrating that you truly do not get it. we are not discussing other niyad Oct 2017 #326

Wow I already have addressed it, there are other places to go to get it. Fullduplexxx Oct 2017 #332

keep trying. you are almost amusing in your deflections, and assumptions that we do not niyad Oct 2017 #334

Well you keep trying to understand if you want i think it's pretty clear Fullduplexxx Oct 2017 #335

The problem is you can't really separate the economics of our society mythology Sep 2017 #258

Right on man!!! Agree 100% beaglelover Sep 2017 #149

You agree it's ok for men to rape without anyone criticizing unless they're in a committed ... uppityperson Sep 2017 #155

If you agree anyone's sexual satisfaction matters more than other people's lives and dignity, uppityperson Sep 2017 #152

Yeah..kind of the ultimate Male Privilege.. whathehell Sep 2017 #208

Wrong -- we are totally free to call you and anyone else obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #157

We still have plenty of ignorant misogynistic troglodites on the Right,and the Left, too. Squinch Sep 2017 #158

Wow! So people who deplore the objectification of women are prudes? SharonClark Sep 2017 #191

Agree. White feminists have little to say about white women, radius777 Sep 2017 #195

'Majority'....By one percent? Give me a break! whathehell Sep 2017 #212

Feminists claim all men oppress all women, radius777 Sep 2017 #216

Some feminists may say that -- Most say they live in a Patriarchy whathehell Sep 2017 #219

talk about cherry-picking; those same MOC voted 10 to 1 against Hillary in the primaries when the TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #279

that's like saying that ted bundy represents all (or most) men; yes, ted bundy was a man, but he was TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #280

IOW MOST women voted against an oppressive system while MOST white men Squinch Sep 2017 #288

WTF? Dorian Gray Sep 2017 #206

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #218

If you think you've been putting up with bullshit DLevine Sep 2017 #220

Did You Forget The Sarcasm Thingie? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #224

I am so grateful that someone has been kind enough to explain this to all of us. ehrnst Sep 2017 #244

did you accidentally wander into the wrong forum? niyad Sep 2017 #249

goddess forfend that women, and the men who support them, should talk about what niyad Sep 2017 #250

this isn't reddit. niyad Sep 2017 #254

Then it's a good thing that few if any liberal men care LittleBlue Sep 2017 #201

Sure..'"Midogny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left" whathehell Sep 2017 #215

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #264

Thanks, Smirk whathehell Sep 2017 #321

If only I'd known that I offended Kstja Pollitt LittleBlue Sep 2017 #267

So if someone quotes, say, Nietzsche, you think it's all about you and how Nietzsche Squinch Sep 2017 #290

Lol.. whathehell Sep 2017 #318

I don't think you have a clue what liberal men think. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #226

I'm sure you know men much better than me LittleBlue Sep 2017 #268

Stereotypical? Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #272

Right? There's a sign hanging out and it doesn't say "liberal." Squinch Sep 2017 #291

So you are not affected by the disappointment of women. It's SO important Squinch Sep 2017 #289

"Their sexual satisfaction matters more than other.. whathehell Sep 2017 #205

Well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #235

Me as well. This guy didn't do anyone any favors by existing. nt Nay Sep 2017 #236

He did open the door for Playgirl which was part of women's sexual revolution snooper2 Sep 2017 #7

mirroring objectification is not liberation. grantcart Sep 2017 #11

I guess I should check all the users who were/are GA GA over Justin Trudeau snooper2 Sep 2017 #18

I especially liked how so many people talked about his boobs and butt LanternWaste Sep 2017 #27

oh, there is a picture of his boobs and biceps in that thread...but objectification isn't done snooper2 Sep 2017 #34

LOL indeed melman Sep 2017 #49

Oops. progressoid Sep 2017 #73

You're having a little trouble with the concept of objecification RandomAccess Sep 2017 #245

Best comment on this thread. HopeAgain Sep 2017 #57

You got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #301

Play girl actually had more gay males and subscribers than it ever had women elehhhhna Sep 2017 #47

Thank you. My college girlfriends and I had a couple of those mags for the Nay Sep 2017 #238

Playgirl was created for gay men obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #159

Not a very big part. At all. Squinch Sep 2017 #164

Romance novels/soaps/romcoms do objectify men radius777 Sep 2017 #200

When did these MRA talking points start on a Democratic website? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #227

They think we don't notice. It's funny after a while. Squinch Sep 2017 #292

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Coventina Sep 2017 #232

Right? And don't look now but by that logic, western novels objectify men too! Squinch Sep 2017 #287

And, don't even get me started on comic books! Coventina Sep 2017 #304

Ooooh!!! Batman's so alpha!!!! I want him to pay all my bills! Because I'm a woman and Squinch Sep 2017 #307

Hehehe! Coventina Sep 2017 #313

Now how did I guess you were an MRA type w/your first post? RandomAccess Sep 2017 #246

"Hard wired" usually means stereotypes treestar Sep 2017 #256

LOL! This whole "alpha male" bullshit is a hangup of men who believe in Squinch Sep 2017 #286

No tears here... PassingFair Sep 2017 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #10

mine was, "good" niyad Sep 2017 #12

A big shrug from me... PassingFair Sep 2017 #13

me too obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #160

I've always thought that Hefner turned his personal preoccupation with large breasts maddiemom Sep 2017 #255

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #14

I agree; talk about exploitation treestar Sep 2017 #15

Excellent insight RandomAccess Sep 2017 #247

Honestly I'm kind of shocked Orrex Sep 2017 #16

Well, you were right lunatica Sep 2017 #26

Weekend at Heffie's Orrex Sep 2017 #40

They used the same makeup artist who did Evita Peron and Lenin lunatica Sep 2017 #43

Me, too. My reaction was, "What, he wasn't dead already?" The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #52

Disagree 500% Hawaii Hiker Sep 2017 #17

oooookaaaaay. . . . niyad Sep 2017 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Sep 2017 #101

Women being seen as an object of sex was Hefner's legacy to women lunatica Sep 2017 #24

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #32

Really? Because looking at women as objects is so progressive? livetohike Sep 2017 #37

As long as they weren't coerced into it... Baconator Sep 2017 #89

Economics coerce women into it... women still don't get paid what they are worth... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #330

Obviously you resent women for objecting to your ideas of what we should think and do lunatica Sep 2017 #39

There were a lot of women competing eagerly to pose nude and wear bunniy tails Autumn Sep 2017 #282

Without that, the human race would have gone extinct thousands of years ago. Kaleva Sep 2017 #35

nope lunatica Sep 2017 #41

Without testosterone, there'd never would have been Playboy Kaleva Sep 2017 #45

So why would they need Heff then? lunatica Sep 2017 #85

Why did they need pin up posters, racy playing cards, erotic photos and drawings? Kaleva Sep 2017 #88

Was that not the case previously? I think Playboy's legacy is probably a mixed bag, JCanete Sep 2017 #93

If Heffner helped it was as a shining example of what most women didn't want lunatica Sep 2017 #94

Interesting history, thank you. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #102

At the end of the day he was in the business of selling magazines Major Nikon Sep 2017 #194

Someone more informed than you RandomAccess Sep 2017 #248

well you certainly have convinced me with all of that knowledge that you are one JCanete Sep 2017 #252

I am always willing to share information RandomAccess Sep 2017 #260

and what would that look like to you pray tell? JCanete Sep 2017 #261

Well, that's part of the test RandomAccess Sep 2017 #266

and how, with a lack of any and all guidance, does somebody evolve to the point where that person JCanete Sep 2017 #269

Hey, man, if you don't know how to be sincere -- RandomAccess Sep 2017 #273

so sincerity doesn't look like trying to consider the whole impact of Playboy and to even suggest JCanete Sep 2017 #276

You know what? RandomAccess Sep 2017 #278

thanks, no hard feelings! nt JCanete Sep 2017 #283

Amazing what I learn on DU. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #51

LOL! That was such an enlightening post! lunamagica Sep 2017 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Sep 2017 #92

Quite the history lesson there. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #132

So it's okay to objectify women as sex objects... Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #59

some people conflate sexual freedom w/ objectification of women; it is important to make TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #96

+1 ... Playboy had nothing to do with sex. nt prayin4rain Sep 2017 #183

"brain dead.. disposable bunnies" - misogynist anti-sex moralism radius777 Sep 2017 #210

LOL -- you're in no position to make that assessment RandomAccess Sep 2017 #251

you pretty much just illustrated EXACTLY what i wrote. nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #281

It was kind of perfect, wasn't it? Squinch Sep 2017 #293

heh heh. nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #316

Totally agree with you, HH... Callmecrazy Sep 2017 #97

No one ever got rich by doing something terrible? wryter2000 Sep 2017 #111

Not the same thing... Callmecrazy Sep 2017 #127

Like what? wryter2000 Sep 2017 #140

Giving women drugs Dorian Gray Sep 2017 #207

As long as men are exploiting women wryter2000 Sep 2017 #107

Yeah, wrong -- the birth control pill did that obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #163

Right. All those prudy prudes complaining about objectification! Amiright? Squinch Sep 2017 #166

Disagree with that statement 500% Caliman73 Sep 2017 #172

Thank you RandomAccess Sep 2017 #257

Part of it is because of physiology, but a lot of it is because of socialization. Caliman73 Sep 2017 #294

I'm with you Hiker, he was a progressive man jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #176

.and after Hefner, women are STILL being called 'sluts" whathehell Sep 2017 #217

Boy! You said it! lunatica Sep 2017 #20

I have been looking to see if she has made any comment about his passing. nothing so far. niyad Sep 2017 #22

And more than the borderline sexual assaults/sex slavery and the pictures of nekkid ladies... Orsino Sep 2017 #21

so true niyad Sep 2017 #23

Too bad we still don't have Unrec. n/t MicaelS Sep 2017 #28

really? why? niyad Sep 2017 #30

Can't get that feeling of control just posting in the thread. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #67

Because the entire pretext is nonsensical Major Nikon Sep 2017 #120

Hefner did nothing 'progressive' for men leftstreet Sep 2017 #190

Sure, there's nothing progressive about putting black and white musicians on the same stage Major Nikon Sep 2017 #192

Bill Cosby used to hang there. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2017 #31

a most excellent point. niyad Sep 2017 #33

"I called Hugh Hefner a pimp, he threatened to sue. But thats what he was" demmiblue Sep 2017 #42

thank you for this. I think it deserves its own OP, for visibility. niyad Sep 2017 #44

Yeah, I agree. Fuck that. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #115

I read that this morning, some bitter truths for those who glamorize him. JHan Sep 2017 #109

What about Playgirl? RandySF Sep 2017 #53

See grantcart's post (#11)... PunkinPi Sep 2017 #108

Hooray! Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #54

you are most welcome--the lionizing of this misogynistic creep is disgusting. niyad Sep 2017 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Sep 2017 #66

Sexual attraction and sexual objectification are two different things. nt DLevine Sep 2017 #68

so if a guy says "yuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm" Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #74

True Major Nikon Sep 2017 #134

That is exactly it! When I am attracted to a man, even if it's just physical at first, I don't smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #161

So sexuality makes us less human? Major Nikon Sep 2017 #165

No, you misunderstand me. It makes us very human. It is the insistence that a woman smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #169

I'm understanding you even less now Major Nikon Sep 2017 #171

Forget it. It's not about nudity. It's not about sex. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #173

Kant's idea of objectification had little to do with desireablity Major Nikon Sep 2017 #181

Your logic squares up if applied to a society based on equality. prayin4rain Sep 2017 #185

I'm questioning the cause vs effect Major Nikon Sep 2017 #186

Yes, I acknowledged that even in a prayin4rain Sep 2017 #187

I just don't see the evidence for your claims Major Nikon Sep 2017 #189

Exactly. Society is based upon men "paying" for sex radius777 Sep 2017 #214

Don't you have an MRA rally to attend somewhere? smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #271

WTF world do you live in? Seriously, stop watching those 50s sit coms and talk to Squinch Sep 2017 #295

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #156

As with all human beings Bettie Sep 2017 #58

As a man I was appalled that his death was front page news. Scruffy1 Sep 2017 #60

Thank you. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #62

yes!! thank you! niyad Sep 2017 #64

Another thank you... 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #77

Thank you wryter2000 Sep 2017 #112

He was always creepy to me. The whole Playboy thing is. Oneironaut Sep 2017 #63

so true niyad Sep 2017 #65

Me, too. BadgerMom Sep 2017 #69

Right there with you, Oneironaut ailsagirl Sep 2017 #314

Pro sports is the buying and selling of bodies by the same logic. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #70

Not QUITE the same thing. Adrahil Sep 2017 #75

Something wrong with sex while athletic commodity is ok? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #95

Nothing wrong with sex... Adrahil Sep 2017 #100

Objectification is only a problem when it crosses over to behavior. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #114

There's also tons of academic writing on the myths of global warming Major Nikon Sep 2017 #146

Boobies! Major Nikon Sep 2017 #136

Is that picture NSFW? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #137

Probably should have included the warning Major Nikon Sep 2017 #138

Pervert!!! edbermac Sep 2017 #139

I'm no fan of Hefner... Dopers_Greed Sep 2017 #71

I thought he was a creep Skittles Sep 2017 #72

A significant cog in the giant entertainment and advertising sex-ploitation wheel. Sneederbunk Sep 2017 #76

The least sexually repressed kids I knew growing up were farm kids. Sex was a natural act, not jalan48 Sep 2017 #78

I think the title of "ultimate enemy" ought to go to Trump, evangelical leaders and some others. Kaleva Sep 2017 #79

Yup. As a new teenager, I looked at Playboy, because MineralMan Sep 2017 #80

I didn't know he forced these women to pose at gunpoint? Got a link? n/t Fix The Stupid Sep 2017 #81

Did someone say that he did? I didn't see that. MineralMan Sep 2017 #99

Ahh...so we're back to infantilizing women... Fix The Stupid Sep 2017 #104

Of course they can make choices as individuals. MineralMan Sep 2017 #113

You could say the same thing about pretty much any unskilled or low skilled labor Major Nikon Sep 2017 #121

Their agency is affected by the society around them treestar Sep 2017 #129

As is everyone's Major Nikon Sep 2017 #131

"Exploiting people for money is not an ethical thing to do, even if they are willing" GReedDiamond Sep 2017 #198

No, it's not ethical in all situations RandomAccess Sep 2017 #265

"The key factor is humiliation, degradation, physical harm, or some other negative effect... GReedDiamond Sep 2017 #270

What do you mean RandomAccess Sep 2017 #275

You seem a bit hostile... GReedDiamond Sep 2017 #285

Gotta love all the acceptable gravedancing going on around these parts Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #83

Hefner's sexism was nothing compared to extreme sexism in other countries. kwassa Sep 2017 #84

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #86

LOL...Welcom to DU. Iggo Sep 2017 #91

The ultimate enemy? melman Sep 2017 #90

AHA, anti-sex AND a TERF!nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #106

More interesting reading from the same author... Major Nikon Sep 2017 #147

Here's another nice one melman Sep 2017 #151

Interesting the parallels between the TERFs and far right social conservatives Major Nikon Sep 2017 #153

He and the Religious fanatics get the red out Sep 2017 #98

Religious fanatics and radical feminists both want to censor porn. mr_liberal Sep 2017 #180

Porn consumption is highest in the most religious states. So no. Squinch Sep 2017 #296

And yet, the GOP has a plank in the platform for banning it. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #297

Uh huh. And they say that Trump is going to build a wall and the tax bill is good for Squinch Sep 2017 #300

Republicans and religious nuts are repressed hypocrites RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #302

"That was the correct initial answer" to what? What was the question? Squinch Sep 2017 #306

That no one should be surprised GOP hypocrites consume what they want to ban for others. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #308

You seem to be veering a bit. Squinch Sep 2017 #309

Have a good night n/m RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #311

I have no experience with get the red out Sep 2017 #317

A pro-choice, pro-gay marriage publisher? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #298

From Salon... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #331

Amen! Lunabell Sep 2017 #103

Amen wryter2000 Sep 2017 #105

The article gets a fact wrong regarding Steinem. Old Crow Sep 2017 #110

good link; sadly, stuff written 150+ years ago by women like S.B. Anthony and E.C. Stanton is still TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #315

K&R. Thank you for this thread lunamagica Sep 2017 #116

A friend of mine was one of the 25th Anniversary Playmates. Atman Sep 2017 #117

The fact that she did well with what she got... Adrahil Sep 2017 #125

I think the key words are "have to." Atman Sep 2017 #133

My wife was a model in L.A. for a while. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #148

Huge K&R. jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #118

May he find peace in death Lazy Daisy Sep 2017 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #122

so, what is a "real man", anyway? NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #123

You joined just to post that? Codeine Sep 2017 #124

Lordy wryter2000 Sep 2017 #143

I'm sure the reality is quite the opposite. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #168

New user name wryter2000 Sep 2017 #241

And what pray tell is your DI Username? 😏 Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2017 #126

Enjoy your stay. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #130

"stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and ... muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #135

Misogynist, big time, real real bad actually Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #145

Feh! MineralMan Sep 2017 #175

Really? The "ultimate" enemy of women? vi5 Sep 2017 #128

Except not really... WoonTars Sep 2017 #142

May he rest in pieces... k8conant Sep 2017 #144

He was just a click above being a human trafficker obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #150

There is a reason Bill Cosby liked the Mansio and Playboy parties obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #154

Hyperbole much? Egnever Sep 2017 #162

Christy Hefner Locutusofborg Sep 2017 #170

Oh yes, he liberated women... Raven Sep 2017 #174

Oh god Loki Liesmith Sep 2017 #177

Hefner united feminist and evangelicals against him. dubyadiprecession Sep 2017 #178

Author of article in OP is a transphobe Kaleva Sep 2017 #179

It's already been pointed out, but doesn't seem to be much of a buzzkill Major Nikon Sep 2017 #182

There was a former member here who was a hard core feminist and transphobic Kaleva Sep 2017 #184

Wasn't sure what TERF meant. edbermac Sep 2017 #188

It's ironic RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #197

A certain group has returned here. joshcryer Sep 2017 #196

I wouldn't say "returned", have you checked out the HoF forum lately? snooper2 Sep 2017 #225

It's been very quiet in there lately... Phentex Sep 2017 #237

Some here are thrilled that some of the feminist voices have been sent away. Squinch Sep 2017 #299

We have a problem of doing nuance well . See the circumcision wars. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #199

"People, regardless of their gender or orientation, want to see naked people " Yavin4 Sep 2017 #229

They found pornographic drawings on the walls of the ruins of Pompeii. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #231

The author of this piece is known for being transphobic oberliner Sep 2017 #202

Really ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #221

Are you aware of the term "TERF" ? oberliner Sep 2017 #222

I googled it. I would wish posters wouldn't bring the work of such authors here. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #223

There are better articles that cover mostly the same points Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #230

Hefner's legacy is complex. I see his detractors and proponents turning him into a caricature. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #233

Nothing Hef did helped women Johnny2X2X Sep 2017 #228

Was helping women his stated mission? Yavin4 Sep 2017 #239

No, but people are trying to spin it that way Johnny2X2X Sep 2017 #240

Whatever he did does not compare to what a majority of White women did to elect Trump Yavin4 Sep 2017 #284

He fought for marriage equality before most politicians came around to support it oberliner Sep 2017 #277

Considering Sgent Sep 2017 #303

Yeah. He was a jerk for jerk offs, not much of a human being. His consumerist nightmare was... NNadir Sep 2017 #305

I was just thinking of her while I was reading all the posts that talk about how Squinch Sep 2017 #312

THANK you, Niyad whathehell Sep 2017 #323

Ultimate enemy of women? Vinnie From Indy Oct 2017 #327

Thumbs down for the absolutist position... of course people JCMach1 Oct 2017 #328

Yeah it shows how far we need to go as women to protect our rights when supposed liberals on this Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #329

you are absolutely correct. niyad Oct 2017 #333