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Ken Burch

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30. OK...then why, on virtually every occasion...
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:02 PM
Sep 2017

when anybody argues that we need to address economic justice in a stronger way, is the response always "We need to stop voter suppression"? And do pundits like Joy Reid keep trying to frame it as "either/or" or as though there are actually people arguing that voters suppression doesn't matter?

And why does virtually any argument for a stronger economic justice position get labeled as, of all things "choosing rich white men over people of color"? Does anybody here really think that the only way we can fight for peoples of color is to be "centrist" on economic issues? You'd think that people of color somehow aren't part of the economy and aren't affected, in addition to the massive effects caused by social oppression, by economic issues-income inequality, massive concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, wage cuts, layoffs, and outsourcing?

An artificial division was created in the 2016 primaries between the concepts of "social justice&quot which in 2016 was stripped of most redistributive and egalitarian aspects) and "economic justice&quot which, in 2016, was presented as something that could almost be described as left-wing support of white privilege). Given that neither of the people whose candidacies represented that artificial divide are likely to run again, that whoever we nominate in 2020 will be of a newer generation that isn't defined by that divide, can we all finally move on from it and accept that the two justice struggles are not at odds with each other? That, at least in post-1964 America, those causes are in a natural affinity with each other and should be working together?




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We should stop ignoring it when talking about "What Happened" bettyellen Sep 2017 #1
I don't know of anybody on the Left who IS ignoring it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #5
"without needing to make any significant changes to what we stand for. " Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #12
I'm not attacking Clinton-we don't need to pretend nothing needs to change to show respect to her. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #14
It's exactly what you did with this sentence. A sentence that holds no basis in reality. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #17
Not back away from...improve, add to a bit. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #18
Just what the Fuck does that mean? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #35
Don't talk to me like I'm NOT a Dem. I liked most of the platform. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #36
My response was a little caustic and I apologize GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #37
Thank you for that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38
I like what we stand for. The Citizen United thing has to be reversed by the SC.... bettyellen Sep 2017 #13
Another classic. Who EVER said we need to choose between those two, Ken? Squinch Sep 2017 #2
That's what a lot of the people who keep saying "it was voter suppression" are essentially arguing. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #6
No. It really isn't. People who point out the existence of voter suppression are Squinch Sep 2017 #19
Everybody on the Left AGREES that there is voter suppression, though. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
No one has ever said we need to choose between fighting voter suppression and Squinch Sep 2017 #25
OK...then why, on virtually every occasion... Ken Burch Sep 2017 #30
I'm struggling to imagine a society that Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #3
No. The point is that we need BOTH, and to be working on both at once. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #7
That was my point. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #9
That's been my point the whole time...prior to 2016 Ken Burch Sep 2017 #15
Unless you are being shot 6 times for jaywalking. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #26
It remains inseparable from economic justice. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #27
I tried, never mind. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #28
Yes you tried and failed. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #29
We all agree that that is top of the priority list. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #31
Only one group has stated one can happen without the other. nt. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #11
Where The Eff do you get this crap? This is so not a thing. Are you trying to make it a thing? (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #4
Wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!! guillaumeb Sep 2017 #8
Nope. That's nothing like what he's saying. Squinch Sep 2017 #20
It is what Burch is saying applied to a specific issue. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #22
Why is the choice between those two. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #10
That's the opposite of what I'm saying Ken Burch Sep 2017 #16
But it obviously has not been accepted. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #21
Then your words are extremely unclear. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #23
What I favor is justice...for those who face injustice(s) and for all who need change from below. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #32
Thank you! I've been saying the same for awhile now! lovemydogs Sep 2017 #33
Sorry on double post. I think too many equate economic justice with old white repub men lovemydogs Sep 2017 #34
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