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In reply to the discussion: JOY doing segment on Hefner and civil rights...and YES he was an activist [View all]pnwmom
(110,239 posts)61. He was a pimp. He was that kind of civil rights "activist."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/hugh-hefner-pimp-sue-playboy-mansion
The accounts of the privileged few who made it into the inner sanctum of the 29-room Playboy mansion as wives/girlfriends/bunny rabbits are quite something. In Hefners petting zoo/harem/brothel, these interchangeable blondes were put on a curfew. They were not allowed to have friends to visit. And certainly not boyfriends. They were given an allowance. The big metal gates on the mansion that everyone claimed were to keep people out of this nirvana were described by one-time Hefner girlfriend no 1 Holly Madison in her autobiography thus: I grew to feel it was meant to lock me in.
The fantasy that Hefner sold was not a fantasy of freedom for women, but for men. Women had to be strangely chaste but constantly available for the right price. Dressing grown women as rabbits once seen as the height of sophistication is now seen as camp and ironic. There are those today who want to celebrate Hefners contribution to magazine journalism, and I dont dispute that Playboy did use some fantastic writers.
Part of Hefners business acumen was to make the selling of female flesh respectable and hip, to make soft porn acceptable. Every mans dream was to have Hefners lifestyle. Apparently. Every picture of him, right to the end, shows him with his lizard smirk surrounded by blonde clones. Every half-wit on Twitter is asking if Hefner will go to heaven when he already lived in it.
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If any of them left the mansion and were not available for club nights where they were paraded, they didnt get their allowance. The sheets in the mansion were stained. There was to be no bickering between girlfriends. No condoms could be used. A nurse sometimes had to be called to Hefners grotto if hed had a fall. Nonetheless, these young women would have to perform.
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The accounts of the privileged few who made it into the inner sanctum of the 29-room Playboy mansion as wives/girlfriends/bunny rabbits are quite something. In Hefners petting zoo/harem/brothel, these interchangeable blondes were put on a curfew. They were not allowed to have friends to visit. And certainly not boyfriends. They were given an allowance. The big metal gates on the mansion that everyone claimed were to keep people out of this nirvana were described by one-time Hefner girlfriend no 1 Holly Madison in her autobiography thus: I grew to feel it was meant to lock me in.
The fantasy that Hefner sold was not a fantasy of freedom for women, but for men. Women had to be strangely chaste but constantly available for the right price. Dressing grown women as rabbits once seen as the height of sophistication is now seen as camp and ironic. There are those today who want to celebrate Hefners contribution to magazine journalism, and I dont dispute that Playboy did use some fantastic writers.
Part of Hefners business acumen was to make the selling of female flesh respectable and hip, to make soft porn acceptable. Every mans dream was to have Hefners lifestyle. Apparently. Every picture of him, right to the end, shows him with his lizard smirk surrounded by blonde clones. Every half-wit on Twitter is asking if Hefner will go to heaven when he already lived in it.
SNIP
If any of them left the mansion and were not available for club nights where they were paraded, they didnt get their allowance. The sheets in the mansion were stained. There was to be no bickering between girlfriends. No condoms could be used. A nurse sometimes had to be called to Hefners grotto if hed had a fall. Nonetheless, these young women would have to perform.
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JOY doing segment on Hefner and civil rights...and YES he was an activist [View all]
jodymarie aimee
Sep 2017
OP
Yes, and reality is complex, even before considering changing societal attitudes.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#33
right, so maybe he did some bad along with the good? why only allow talk of one? nt
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2017
#44
Oh, sorry. His doings were "pimpings" of all the OTHER employees he put in scanty
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#21
Are you saying that men should not fantasize about having sex with beautiful women?
oberliner
Sep 2017
#23
This nonsense reply is beneath you. You know that's not what the poster is saying,
Squinch
Sep 2017
#27
Another inaccurate inference to have something... anything to argue against.
LanternWaste
Oct 2017
#77
This isn't fantasy...these women were drugged, some raped ...Cosby went to the mansion.
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#83
wow. so "our" pigs are ok? sorry, i'm a dem; not a brain-dead cult member. speak for yourself. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2017
#43
You're certainly moving your initial goalposts wider and wider as the conversation grows.
LanternWaste
Oct 2017
#76
Fuck him - I'm glad he's dead but the damage he did to women will live on.
50 Shades Of Blue
Sep 2017
#11
jodymarie aimee, I totally agree. I am 70 and remember the time period very well.
Jim Beard
Sep 2017
#20
I went back to college and found this attitude prevelant in many, more so than main street America.
Jim Beard
Sep 2017
#36
a lot of people are determined not to see anything wrong with the type of treatment you mentioned.
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2017
#41
most people are not all good or all bad; it is you who sounds like a repub by insisting that everyt
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2017
#42
No, they don"t sound like Republicans. They sound like people who are aware of how women are
SharonClark
Oct 2017
#72
What is revealing is some think the way Heffner treated women was just fine...he was a pig.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#59
I can appreciate his support for many progressive causes even as I deplore his misogyny.
guillaumeb
Sep 2017
#60
it really is not either/or. he did some good and he did some bad. it is a false choice to suggest
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2017
#39
"Ultimate evil" is a bit extreme. I'll save that for Donald Trump.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Sep 2017
#51
Would you call him a progressive if he was as much of a racist as he was a misogynist?
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#63
Plenty of folks pretended to be liberal during the 60's...it was fashionable.
Demsrule86
Oct 2017
#80