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37. I have not been to Las Vegas

Mon Oct 2, 2017, 10:11 AM

Oct 2017

but none of the hotels I have stayed at ANYWHERE (including places like Egypt, just after the Gulf War) have had any metal detectors.

The only places I have had metal detectors outside of airports, was at concerts (indoor or out), museums, government buildings (all levels of government), movie theaters (and here in the Philly area, that was back in the '80s), & some schools. Never at any hotel.

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So, we have to ask: Was Stephen Paddock a terrorist? [View all] MrScorpio Oct 2017 OP

If his goal was political Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #1

When someone shoots a massive amount of bullets BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #3

Terrorism typically implies some sort of agenda--political, religious, racial, etc Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #8

The problem is BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #11

That's very true. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #12

After 9/11 BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #17

Good conversation. Our LEGAL definition: Hortensis Oct 2017 #23

Good information, thank you. We truly need data like this. George II Oct 2017 #49

Right. Seemingly no one got alarmed at this guy carrying a bag suspiciously Hortensis Oct 2017 #52

Have You Ever RobinA Oct 2017 #75

Sure. But if I wanted to enhance my chances, I certainly wouldn't wear a burka. :) Hortensis Oct 2017 #79

++ heaven05 Oct 2017 #51

There's also a Nevada LEGAL definition of terrorism that seems to apply to Paddock: pnwmom Oct 2017 #71

Since federal law rules in this case, and the FBI is in charge, it's not okay to ignore it Hortensis Oct 2017 #74

Why couldn't he have been prosecuted under Nevada law, if he had survived? That's where the murders pnwmom Oct 2017 #90

Pnwmom, who's behind this malicious, divisive messaging? Hortensis Oct 2017 #91

What is malicious and divisive about this? Why do we usually only use the word terrorism pnwmom Oct 2017 #94

Do you think there is any motivation to label him as a terrorist... Baconator Oct 2017 #97

No, the motivation is to FOLLOW THE LAW. And the NV law is clear. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #98

And it is also the outlier... Baconator Oct 2017 #100

Nevada law is not the "outlier" in Nevada, and that's where the murders occurred. pnwmom Oct 2017 #102

of course not heaven05 Oct 2017 #47

There was quite the disconnect this morning with the media saying, "lone wolf gunman" & "police are FSogol Oct 2017 #16

The woman's whose picture they prominently displayed BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #19

true, to the max!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2017 #46

I've written a snail-mail letter to the local, well, 450 miles, ACLU. raven mad Oct 2017 #104

The SPLC can assist in that regard BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #105

They got a CC. I LOVE the SPLC, and have been a donor forever. raven mad Oct 2017 #106

Cool. BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #108

Morris Dees was a hero in my family before I knew what racism was. raven mad Oct 2017 #109

Mark Potok BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #111

HIM I remember from an early age. raven mad Oct 2017 #113

My mother was a CSPAN junkie. BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #114

LOL! This was way before cable.......... raven mad Oct 2017 #115

I still have the family Nat Geo subscription from when we had moved in 1968 BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #116

For my husband's 60th, mom gave him a lifetime subscription! raven mad Oct 2017 #118

I agree. It makes people fearful mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #28

There were 2 women who had attended who were interviewed on a local LV station BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #33

How did this shooter even get a weapon bdamomma Oct 2017 #34

I have been in many hotels over the past 50 years BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #35

there are no metal detectors out in those hotels? bdamomma Oct 2017 #36

I have not been to Las Vegas BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #37

do you think that will bdamomma Oct 2017 #41

No. The tourism lobby is too powerful for that BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #64

It's unrealistic in the extreme... Baconator Oct 2017 #72

so you say Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #38

Your citation is a "technical/legal" definition BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #39

I don't think it should be changed davekriss Oct 2017 #54

The problem with this is selective enforcement BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #65

All of your examples meet the definition davekriss Oct 2017 #84

The final meme is usually BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #85

No reason to change it... Baconator Oct 2017 #73

Disagree BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #82

It's the same thing ... Baconator Oct 2017 #92

It's not the same thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #95

You're still making assumptions and missing half of your equation... Baconator Oct 2017 #96

And you are dismissing what other types of "intent" should be considered BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #99

Nevada state law doesn't require a political intent. A massive loss of life would be enough. pnwmom Oct 2017 #68

Bratton just said that malaise Oct 2017 #2

You noticed that too, I see nt MrScorpio Oct 2017 #5

Why is it that they're always "mentally ill" but use guns? ck4829 Oct 2017 #4

In Europe, some have used trucks and knives IronLionZion Oct 2017 #43

Because generally that would not make national news... Glassunion Oct 2017 #48

Because The Mentally Guy RobinA Oct 2017 #77

If many were terrorized by his action, then it was terrorism. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #6

That is definitely not true oberliner Oct 2017 #15

Why not? At the end of the day, these are just socially constructed categories ck4829 Oct 2017 #20

True oberliner Oct 2017 #22

When you think about it - Son of Sam and that one in Cali hated women- bettyellen Oct 2017 #83

Sure, but the legal definition is specific. bluepen Oct 2017 #26

One does need to exercise caution however, if that term carries a legal definition or penalties. Glassunion Oct 2017 #50

K&R uponit7771 Oct 2017 #7

The end result of his act was terror. Girard442 Oct 2017 #9

Look at the crowd video Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #10

When a cartoon is the only get who "gets it" you know you are in trouble. nycbos Oct 2017 #13

Doesn't a terrorist have to have a political motive? oberliner Oct 2017 #14

Political or Social louis c Oct 2017 #88

Why can't terrorists also be mentally disturbed, it is not exclusive Not Ruth Oct 2017 #18

Hell yes. Because it seriously messes with people's minds... VOX Oct 2017 #21

Yes. See my post #28. mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #29

Maybe not a political "terrorist," but photos of the victims indicate they were terrified. Hoyt Oct 2017 #24

Legal definition requires certain motives. bluepen Oct 2017 #25

The Nevada terrorism law doesn't require a political intent or motive. pnwmom Oct 2017 #69

Just call him a white radical NRA terrorist. world wide wally Oct 2017 #27

It terrorizes, but so does a serial killer HopeAgain Oct 2017 #30

K&R Gothmog Oct 2017 #31

Well he lugged all those weapons and ammo to a hotel.... Historic NY Oct 2017 #32

Not even "violent killer " it seems from what I saw this morning . lunasun Oct 2017 #40

Terrorist..... LovingA2andMI Oct 2017 #42

of course not heaven05 Oct 2017 #44

They have used anti-terrorism laws to prosecute organized crime and drug cartels IronLionZion Oct 2017 #45

Nope workinclasszero Oct 2017 #53

Paddock is a Muslin name. moondust Oct 2017 #55

Was Omar S. Thornton a terrorist? snooper2 Oct 2017 #56

I've never heard of a disgruntled employee shooter described as a "terrorist" before. MrScorpio Oct 2017 #57

Micah Xavier Johnson wasn't labeled a terrorist either snooper2 Oct 2017 #58

Sure, he was... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #59

So the far left wants to call white mass shooters terrorists, and the far right wants to call black snooper2 Oct 2017 #60

Well, it's not like I'd want to call ALL white mass shooters "terrorists" MrScorpio Oct 2017 #61

Yes, he was. Until we confront home grown terrorism head on, this will keep happening... Hekate Oct 2017 #62

And you make an excellent point... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #63

I'm a lifelong supporter of Planned Parenthood. Eric Rudolph is a terrorist, as are others. Hekate Oct 2017 #81

It's real interesting how quickly he's been humanized... JHan Oct 2017 #66

Yep, everything that we've all wanted to know about him... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #67

According to Nevada state law he probably was. pnwmom Oct 2017 #70

Doesn't appear to be a terrorist act. Inkfreak Oct 2017 #76

Was he a Muslim, it not, no Motley13 Oct 2017 #78

At the very least, domestic terrorist. democratisphere Oct 2017 #80

I just wish he and his ilk stayed nameless. romanic Oct 2017 #86

There are two elements to the ter, "terrorism' louis c Oct 2017 #87

Not that hard... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #89

Does it really fucking matter? NobodyHere Oct 2017 #93

White Domestic Terrorist...and folks trying to whitewash.. HipChick Oct 2017 #101

+1000! arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #107

No. shanny Oct 2017 #103

This is nonsense melman Oct 2017 #110

All I can see in mind's eye is some fucker standing ankle deep in shell casings. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2017 #112

The goal of terrorism is not to kill people Azathoth Oct 2017 #117