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Hortensis

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74. Since federal law rules in this case, and the FBI is in charge, it's not okay to ignore it

Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:58 PM

Oct 2017

and grab onto else in an attempt to justify dishonesty. Why on earth these people are so invested in this, I can't imagine. I am a great respecter and admirer of well constructed law. It's not something to be pushed aside any time a mob mentality arises.

And why ARE they so invested in it? Why and how is it even happening? This seems to be an attempt to turn this tragedy into a DIVISIVE racial injustice issue. One white man murdered dozens of mostly white people, and PoC are supposed to grab their torches at the outrageous injustice of not declaring him a terrorist before the investigation's even started? If anyone wanted to do that, it should be Muslim Americans.

Think Putin, because this fake division for sure isn't originating from Democrats.

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So, we have to ask: Was Stephen Paddock a terrorist? [View all] MrScorpio Oct 2017 OP

If his goal was political Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #1

When someone shoots a massive amount of bullets BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #3

Terrorism typically implies some sort of agenda--political, religious, racial, etc Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #8

The problem is BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #11

That's very true. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #12

After 9/11 BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #17

Good conversation. Our LEGAL definition: Hortensis Oct 2017 #23

Good information, thank you. We truly need data like this. George II Oct 2017 #49

Right. Seemingly no one got alarmed at this guy carrying a bag suspiciously Hortensis Oct 2017 #52

Have You Ever RobinA Oct 2017 #75

Sure. But if I wanted to enhance my chances, I certainly wouldn't wear a burka. :) Hortensis Oct 2017 #79

++ heaven05 Oct 2017 #51

There's also a Nevada LEGAL definition of terrorism that seems to apply to Paddock: pnwmom Oct 2017 #71

Since federal law rules in this case, and the FBI is in charge, it's not okay to ignore it Hortensis Oct 2017 #74

Why couldn't he have been prosecuted under Nevada law, if he had survived? That's where the murders pnwmom Oct 2017 #90

Pnwmom, who's behind this malicious, divisive messaging? Hortensis Oct 2017 #91

What is malicious and divisive about this? Why do we usually only use the word terrorism pnwmom Oct 2017 #94

Do you think there is any motivation to label him as a terrorist... Baconator Oct 2017 #97

No, the motivation is to FOLLOW THE LAW. And the NV law is clear. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #98

And it is also the outlier... Baconator Oct 2017 #100

Nevada law is not the "outlier" in Nevada, and that's where the murders occurred. pnwmom Oct 2017 #102

of course not heaven05 Oct 2017 #47

There was quite the disconnect this morning with the media saying, "lone wolf gunman" & "police are FSogol Oct 2017 #16

The woman's whose picture they prominently displayed BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #19

true, to the max!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2017 #46

I've written a snail-mail letter to the local, well, 450 miles, ACLU. raven mad Oct 2017 #104

The SPLC can assist in that regard BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #105

They got a CC. I LOVE the SPLC, and have been a donor forever. raven mad Oct 2017 #106

Cool. BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #108

Morris Dees was a hero in my family before I knew what racism was. raven mad Oct 2017 #109

Mark Potok BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #111

HIM I remember from an early age. raven mad Oct 2017 #113

My mother was a CSPAN junkie. BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #114

LOL! This was way before cable.......... raven mad Oct 2017 #115

I still have the family Nat Geo subscription from when we had moved in 1968 BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #116

For my husband's 60th, mom gave him a lifetime subscription! raven mad Oct 2017 #118

I agree. It makes people fearful mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #28

There were 2 women who had attended who were interviewed on a local LV station BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #33

How did this shooter even get a weapon bdamomma Oct 2017 #34

I have been in many hotels over the past 50 years BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #35

there are no metal detectors out in those hotels? bdamomma Oct 2017 #36

I have not been to Las Vegas BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #37

do you think that will bdamomma Oct 2017 #41

No. The tourism lobby is too powerful for that BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #64

It's unrealistic in the extreme... Baconator Oct 2017 #72

so you say Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #38

Your citation is a "technical/legal" definition BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #39

I don't think it should be changed davekriss Oct 2017 #54

The problem with this is selective enforcement BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #65

All of your examples meet the definition davekriss Oct 2017 #84

The final meme is usually BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #85

No reason to change it... Baconator Oct 2017 #73

Disagree BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #82

It's the same thing ... Baconator Oct 2017 #92

It's not the same thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #95

You're still making assumptions and missing half of your equation... Baconator Oct 2017 #96

And you are dismissing what other types of "intent" should be considered BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #99

Nevada state law doesn't require a political intent. A massive loss of life would be enough. pnwmom Oct 2017 #68

Bratton just said that malaise Oct 2017 #2

You noticed that too, I see nt MrScorpio Oct 2017 #5

Why is it that they're always "mentally ill" but use guns? ck4829 Oct 2017 #4

In Europe, some have used trucks and knives IronLionZion Oct 2017 #43

Because generally that would not make national news... Glassunion Oct 2017 #48

Because The Mentally Guy RobinA Oct 2017 #77

If many were terrorized by his action, then it was terrorism. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #6

That is definitely not true oberliner Oct 2017 #15

Why not? At the end of the day, these are just socially constructed categories ck4829 Oct 2017 #20

True oberliner Oct 2017 #22

When you think about it - Son of Sam and that one in Cali hated women- bettyellen Oct 2017 #83

Sure, but the legal definition is specific. bluepen Oct 2017 #26

One does need to exercise caution however, if that term carries a legal definition or penalties. Glassunion Oct 2017 #50

K&R uponit7771 Oct 2017 #7

The end result of his act was terror. Girard442 Oct 2017 #9

Look at the crowd video Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #10

When a cartoon is the only get who "gets it" you know you are in trouble. nycbos Oct 2017 #13

Doesn't a terrorist have to have a political motive? oberliner Oct 2017 #14

Political or Social louis c Oct 2017 #88

Why can't terrorists also be mentally disturbed, it is not exclusive Not Ruth Oct 2017 #18

Hell yes. Because it seriously messes with people's minds... VOX Oct 2017 #21

Yes. See my post #28. mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #29

Maybe not a political "terrorist," but photos of the victims indicate they were terrified. Hoyt Oct 2017 #24

Legal definition requires certain motives. bluepen Oct 2017 #25

The Nevada terrorism law doesn't require a political intent or motive. pnwmom Oct 2017 #69

Just call him a white radical NRA terrorist. world wide wally Oct 2017 #27

It terrorizes, but so does a serial killer HopeAgain Oct 2017 #30

K&R Gothmog Oct 2017 #31

Well he lugged all those weapons and ammo to a hotel.... Historic NY Oct 2017 #32

Not even "violent killer " it seems from what I saw this morning . lunasun Oct 2017 #40

Terrorist..... LovingA2andMI Oct 2017 #42

of course not heaven05 Oct 2017 #44

They have used anti-terrorism laws to prosecute organized crime and drug cartels IronLionZion Oct 2017 #45

Nope workinclasszero Oct 2017 #53

Paddock is a Muslin name. moondust Oct 2017 #55

Was Omar S. Thornton a terrorist? snooper2 Oct 2017 #56

I've never heard of a disgruntled employee shooter described as a "terrorist" before. MrScorpio Oct 2017 #57

Micah Xavier Johnson wasn't labeled a terrorist either snooper2 Oct 2017 #58

Sure, he was... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #59

So the far left wants to call white mass shooters terrorists, and the far right wants to call black snooper2 Oct 2017 #60

Well, it's not like I'd want to call ALL white mass shooters "terrorists" MrScorpio Oct 2017 #61

Yes, he was. Until we confront home grown terrorism head on, this will keep happening... Hekate Oct 2017 #62

And you make an excellent point... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #63

I'm a lifelong supporter of Planned Parenthood. Eric Rudolph is a terrorist, as are others. Hekate Oct 2017 #81

It's real interesting how quickly he's been humanized... JHan Oct 2017 #66

Yep, everything that we've all wanted to know about him... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #67

According to Nevada state law he probably was. pnwmom Oct 2017 #70

Doesn't appear to be a terrorist act. Inkfreak Oct 2017 #76

Was he a Muslim, it not, no Motley13 Oct 2017 #78

At the very least, domestic terrorist. democratisphere Oct 2017 #80

I just wish he and his ilk stayed nameless. romanic Oct 2017 #86

There are two elements to the ter, "terrorism' louis c Oct 2017 #87

Not that hard... MrScorpio Oct 2017 #89

Does it really fucking matter? NobodyHere Oct 2017 #93

White Domestic Terrorist...and folks trying to whitewash.. HipChick Oct 2017 #101

+1000! arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #107

No. shanny Oct 2017 #103

This is nonsense melman Oct 2017 #110

All I can see in mind's eye is some fucker standing ankle deep in shell casings. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2017 #112

The goal of terrorism is not to kill people Azathoth Oct 2017 #117