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Orrex

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113. Beats the fuck out of me. Why the fuck should I care?

Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:33 PM

Oct 2017

The responsible storage of the gun is up to the responsible gun owner. Don't tell me that you'd embrace an authoritarian Federal regime telling you how to store your precious, precious guns!

Are gun owners so irresponsible that they are unable to secure their precious, precious guns without The Gubmint telling them how to do it? As with much else in this debate, you are outsourcing the responsibilities of gun ownership to parties other than the gun owners--in this case, ot the dreaded nanny state! Why do you shun responsibility in this way?

I have previously seen DU's gun advocates claim that so-called "gun safes" are anything but safe. I suppose that such graham cracker & tissue paper constructions are so fragile that even the most casual of interlopers can readily help himself to a responsible gun owner's precious, precious guns.

Well too fucking bad. Secure your guns. And if you can't be bothered to secure them, then you probably should own them.

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Silencers Should Be Illegal & Putting One On A Gun A Felony. Screw Gun Nuts & The NRA. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Oct 2017 OP

K & R SunSeeker Oct 2017 #1

I'm a gun owner and I agree 100 percent. roamer65 Oct 2017 #2

Reasonable Gun Laws Are Needed. But Open Carry With NO Background Checks Is Nuts. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2017 #3

Personally, I think Public comes first. Hoyt Oct 2017 #6

Hunting rifles and shotguns legal, highly restricted handguns. roamer65 Oct 2017 #163

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #4

But they're as loud as jackhammer !!!(which isn't true) uponit7771 Oct 2017 #5

Then don't shoot them! SharonAnn Oct 2017 #8

How loud is a silenced AR-15? How loud is a jack hammer? hack89 Oct 2017 #13

Strawman, never said AR15 but damn well know a silenced .22 doesn't maker the sound of a jackhammer! uponit7771 Oct 2017 #168

Because we know that .22 rifles are the choice of mass killers everywhere, don't we? hack89 Oct 2017 #177

.22 riffle with a silencer is not louder than a tornado siren at same distance but go ahead and ... uponit7771 Oct 2017 #178

So why don't you throw out some numbers hack89 Oct 2017 #179

Here you go uponit7771 Oct 2017 #180

So why fixate on .22 rifles? Are they a threat to public safety? hack89 Oct 2017 #181

You narrowed the conversation to a .22 rifle not me & the comparison to an emergency siren was yours uponit7771 Oct 2017 #182

No. You brought up the subject hack89 Oct 2017 #183

Another strawman, I didn't narrow the subject to the riffle or the comparison to sirens you did eith uponit7771 Oct 2017 #184

Now is the time for you to actually explain why they are dangerous. hack89 Oct 2017 #185

Never said they weren't safe, just an unneeded WMD enhancement uponit7771 Oct 2017 #186

Why didn't Anders Breivik use a suppressor when they are readily available in Norway? There's... Marengo Oct 2017 #191

Bullshit X_Digger Oct 2017 #167

A 22 is not as loud as a jackhammer with a silencer on it, that's what's bullshit and so is the ... uponit7771 Oct 2017 #169

That goal post must be heavy, feel free to set it down. X_Digger Oct 2017 #173

You narrowed the conversation you moved the goal post, either way no one with the gumper position uponit7771 Oct 2017 #176

No, you said "they"-- a generic. Not a 22. I gave you generic data. X_Digger Oct 2017 #189

How often are suppressors used in the commission of crime in the USA? How about Norway or... Marengo Oct 2017 #7

OK Ill bite.... Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #9

As a hunter, I support the use of suppressors in this context. The population density where I live Marengo Oct 2017 #11

I respectfully disagree with that Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #12

You'd better have a suppressor on your bow, pal. Orrex Oct 2017 #15

Man...I know right???!! Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #20

You mean like this one? oneshooter Oct 2017 #110

Noise reduction accessories are very common on archery tackle. How can you not know this? Marengo Oct 2017 #38

What makes you think that I don't know it? Orrex Oct 2017 #44

I don't believe you did, and we're talking archery tackle not guns. Marengo Oct 2017 #50

I don't care what a gun advocate believes Orrex Oct 2017 #55

And I should care what someone who proposes all gun owners should be placed on a publicly... Marengo Oct 2017 #62

I haven't yet put you on Ignore because I knew you'd post something silly in response Orrex Oct 2017 #63

In your home ownership records, are the contents of your home listed? Especially those of value Marengo Oct 2017 #64

Nope, try again Orrex Oct 2017 #66

Ah, so there is no market for stolen firearms? They have no value? Where do most gun owners... Marengo Oct 2017 #68

Why should I defend your position for you? Is it because you obviously can't? Orrex Oct 2017 #70

From this response I interpret you priorities to be the harassment of gun owners. If you acknowledge Marengo Oct 2017 #72

Why should I defend your position for you? Is it because you obviously can't? Orrex Oct 2017 #77

You seem entirely incapable of addressing basic security and safety concerns regarding the... Marengo Oct 2017 #82

Nope, try again Orrex Oct 2017 #83

If it's your belief that gun owners are famously inable to keep there arms secure, why on earth... Marengo Oct 2017 #98

Simple: I am calling for so-called "responsible gun owners" to be responsible for their guns Orrex Oct 2017 #101

Unjustied? How many firearms used in crime are the legally acquired property of the perp? Marengo Oct 2017 #104

You are certainly correct--the proliferation of guns is the underlying problem. Well done! Orrex Oct 2017 #108

Is there a Federal requirement that firearms be stored in a theft resistant container? Does every... Marengo Oct 2017 #111

Beats the fuck out of me. Why the fuck should I care? Orrex Oct 2017 #113

If public safety was your priority, you would know and care. Your contemptible response is very... Marengo Oct 2017 #118

That's weak. Orrex Oct 2017 #137

If you actually believed any of this tripe, then you would have posted an inventory of the items... Marengo Oct 2017 #146

I love how you tell me what I think and believe Orrex Oct 2017 #153

What are you afraid of? According to you, no sensible person should be concerned to have... Marengo Oct 2017 #158

You've had sufficient time to compile and post that inventory I asked for. Why haven't you? Marengo Oct 2017 #190

I'm still waiting for that inventory I requested from you. What are you afraid of? Marengo Oct 2017 #199

And still I wait. What are you afraid of? According to you, any concern is only paranoia. Marengo Oct 2017 #200

How about you post an inventory of the items within your residence, to include brand name and... Marengo Oct 2017 #121

Nope. That's an unreasonable and irrelevant requirement. Orrex Oct 2017 #138

As I expected. Unless you will claim to possess not a single knife in your home, there most... Marengo Oct 2017 #142

LOL. Knives. Sure. Any other NRA talking points you'd care to parrot? Orrex Oct 2017 #150

Do you deny that knives have been used to commit mass killings? Marengo Oct 2017 #155

We've put "suppressors" on our bows since the 70's. ileus Oct 2017 #164

I understand your concern absolutely. I grew up on a 100 acre horse ranch in rural Ohio. Marengo Oct 2017 #18

They do make suppressors for shotguns and bowstrings, fyi NickB79 Oct 2017 #21

Here's your shotgun silencer, friendo: Orrex Oct 2017 #22

Lol, they're actually a bit larger NickB79 Oct 2017 #27

Truly did not know that...thanks Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #23

I don't MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #14

LOL! Sure thing pal, I'm scurrying off because you're "not having it". Who are you, again? Marengo Oct 2017 #16

Yes. It's too bad millions of people use guns to get to work every morning kcr Oct 2017 #24

Irrelevant as, following the line of logic used by the poster I responded to, all operators of Marengo Oct 2017 #26

Please provide your statistics Orrex Oct 2017 #30

Only one statistic is necessary in the context of the poster's statement. I wonder if you might be Marengo Oct 2017 #34

Oh? People really do drive guns to work? Huh. Who knew? n/t kcr Oct 2017 #33

Oh? You couldn't comprehend my point? Why am I not surprised? Marengo Oct 2017 #35

Pointing out an invalid point is not misunderstanding it. Weapons are not methods of transportation. kcr Oct 2017 #126

However, methods of transportation can be used as weapons. Sufficiently proven at Nice. Marengo Oct 2017 #127

But that doesn't make them weapons. They're still modes of transportation. kcr Oct 2017 #128

Technically, the Renault at Nice became an improvised weapon, and there a numerous restrictions... Marengo Oct 2017 #130

Well, yes, of course there are restrictions. They're not weapons, duh. kcr Oct 2017 #132

It's adorable when gun advocates try to be condescending Orrex Oct 2017 #42

Imagine? Did I image a Renault truck killed 86 and injured 458 in Nice? Was that a "silly... Marengo Oct 2017 #43

Nope, try again Orrex Oct 2017 #46

Yep, insensibility it is as you repeatedly demonstrate an inability to understand a simple exchange. Marengo Oct 2017 #51

Nope, try again Orrex Oct 2017 #57

And once again you are ignoring the fact that something not designed as a weapon was used Marengo Oct 2017 #65

Nope, try again Orrex Oct 2017 #67

Ah. So because it's not designed as a weapon a public safety issue doesn't exist? Why don't you Marengo Oct 2017 #69

Why should I defend your position for you? Is it because you obviously can't? Orrex Oct 2017 #71

How about re-reading my comment on how to prevent a future NICE type event and try again. Marengo Oct 2017 #74

Why are you changing the subject? Orrex Oct 2017 #80

Nope, try again... Marengo Oct 2017 #84

Because you obviously brought that up in an effort to change the subject Orrex Oct 2017 #85

Nope, try again. Why did you reply to my question with a non-sensical answer about gun control... Marengo Oct 2017 #90

What kind of answer are you seeking? Orrex Oct 2017 #96

I invite you to answer the question I asked, and am puzzled by your inability to do so. Marengo Oct 2017 #107

Because, as I've noted repeatedly, it is simply an attempt to change the subject Orrex Oct 2017 #112

I don't believe that you actually can without compromising your position. Otherwise, you would have Marengo Oct 2017 #117

No, that's wishful thinking on your part Orrex Oct 2017 #139

LOL! I don't believe for a moment that's intended to be an honest answer. Try again. Marengo Oct 2017 #145

LOL. Orrex Oct 2017 #151

It was a transparently inept attempt at baiting on your part. Try again. Marengo Oct 2017 #157

I own neither MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #129

Not a single knife, not even of the kitchen varient? Marengo Oct 2017 #131

Got a butter knife MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #134

Satoshi Uematsu used a kitchen knife to murder 19 people in July of 2016. I have other examples... Marengo Oct 2017 #147

Oh I knew your examples were coming. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #152

You can use the bump stock to cut 1,000 carrots in ten minutes Orrex Oct 2017 #154

I fully expect MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #156

As is the case in each of the frequent mass shootings... Orrex Oct 2017 #159

Now that we have established that you do possess the means to inflict mass casualties, how do we... Marengo Oct 2017 #160

Easy MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #162

I'm curious as to why you denied possessing an implement capable of inflicting mass casualties. Marengo Oct 2017 #188

My implement was made to cut veggies MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #196

So was Mamoru Takuma's knife. At any rate, according to the 2016 FBI stats, more were murdered Marengo Oct 2017 #197

Likewise.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #31

Well, tough shit. Find better hearing protection. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #140

Don't need to, where I live suppressors are perfectly legal as long as they are purchased through... Marengo Oct 2017 #144

LOL, ok tough guy. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #165

The cops did NOT locate the shooter from the gun report. Adrahil Oct 2017 #32

Actually I had heard Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #36

That was the specific room... Adrahil Oct 2017 #39

Heres the article I referenced Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #37

Correct, but MosheFeingold Oct 2017 #59

To that particular room. Read above. NT Adrahil Oct 2017 #81

Well isn't that funny, cause silencers also reduce muzzle flash! n/t kcr Oct 2017 #92

Yes they do. That is true enough. Adrahil Oct 2017 #148

The shooter's hearing is not the only factor to be considered. better Oct 2017 #115

Can you even use a suppressor on the type of weapon he used? B2G Oct 2017 #28

Depends.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #40

Not more than a couple of times MosheFeingold Oct 2017 #60

Can we silence the GOP and NRA instead? BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #10

You don't have a clue what you talking about Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #17

Gawd, those gun prohibition advocates. Just as bad as the tank prohibition advocates. kcr Oct 2017 #25

Tanks with no or inoperable weapons can be easily purchased if one has the money. Marengo Oct 2017 #41

There are people who do indeed make laws against this! You didn't know this? kcr Oct 2017 #45

Legal on a Federal level, and I grew up in a "sleepy little Everytown Hollow". Fellow down the road Marengo Oct 2017 #49

Tank prohibitionists don't give a flying fuck about the Federal level, my friend. kcr Oct 2017 #86

The "killdozer" event occured in 2004. The fellow down the road still has his armored vehicles... Marengo Oct 2017 #93

Okay. Typing really slowly. kcr Oct 2017 #95

The M3 APC yes, the M4A1 only in parades as I recall. The M4A1 was transported to the site on... Marengo Oct 2017 #100

So basically a glorified parade float. kcr Oct 2017 #103

Any prohibition that exists(ed) would have been based on the vehicles weight, track type, and lack Marengo Oct 2017 #106

Oh, thank you! My point! kcr Oct 2017 #109

Again, there isnt a prohibition on owning a tank as a vehicle type on a Federal level. Some in fact. Marengo Oct 2017 #114

Well, yes. Owning guns is legal, too! kcr Oct 2017 #116

Where, exactly, are these tank prohibitionists you keep referring to in that case? Marengo Oct 2017 #122

... kcr Oct 2017 #123

Not a coherent one from you at any rate. Do try to be better informed on a subject before taking... Marengo Oct 2017 #124

Look up. I'm not the one that introduced the term prohibition. kcr Oct 2017 #125

If you drive real slow with the top open......sure Not Ruth Oct 2017 #102

Wow! That's official documentation right there! kcr Oct 2017 #105

I believe that is not a tank. oneshooter Oct 2017 #136

LOL! Whenever I read "prohibitionist" and it's varients in your posts, the face of Inigo Montoya Marengo Oct 2017 #119

There was some hobbyist in the UK with hundreds of tanks on his property Not Ruth Oct 2017 #78

Oh, my fucking god... kcr Oct 2017 #87

He bought the tank on EBay that's right, you can now buy a tank on EBay! Not Ruth Oct 2017 #91

Can you take it for a spin around the neighborhood? kcr Oct 2017 #94

Effective earmuff-style hearing protection has been available for decades to shooters. Paladin Oct 2017 #47

The best ear muffs can protect for 33 dB under ideal conditions. Adrahil Oct 2017 #52

Your earmuffs are not as good as you think Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #61

6% of the population hunted in the last 12 months, and I bet most of those went to drink and talk Hoyt Oct 2017 #53

Wouldn't Following The OSHA Recommendation Be Best Facilitated. . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #73

No, it's by making the gun quieter Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #79

Right. OSHA is all about making deadly things safer while doing the deadly things they're doing! kcr Oct 2017 #88

Where Did I Mention Outlawing Anything? ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #89

Hearing protection? LOL what a bunch of delicate snowflakes snooper2 Oct 2017 #76

The RWers are actually calling it the Ear Protection act. kcr Oct 2017 #99

Not shocked you defend every possible gun use. n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #141

Well then deal with those problems treestar Oct 2017 #171

worried about your hearing? DiverDave Oct 2017 #192

I'm not worried about my "manlyness" as you spell it Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #193

lol DiverDave Oct 2017 #198

I'm fine with silencers being regulated like ordinary firearms (not NFA items). aikoaiko Oct 2017 #19

Do you feel the same way about fully automatic firearms? (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #48

I'm willing to compromise on full automatics being left in NFA as long as the moratorium is lifted. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #54

16 million new guns in 2016 alone. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #29

Record # In 2013 SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #56

He was uncovered MosheFeingold Oct 2017 #58

Totally agree gopiscrap Oct 2017 #75

When you say the "civilian market", do you mean the police as well? Man_Bear_Pig Oct 2017 #97

I mostly agree. But you're wrong about Vegas. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #120

Full auto and suppresors do not mix well. oneshooter Oct 2017 #194

If suppressors were half as awesome as people seem to think they are... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #195

Actual Silencer Facts Always Right Oct 2017 #133

Thanks for the information Rhiannon12866 Oct 2017 #135

A very good write up. Kaleva Oct 2017 #143

Legal in europe manicdem Oct 2017 #149

In France they are required in many areas in order to hunt. oneshooter Oct 2017 #161

So you're saying much of the EU is crazy for selling them like ammunition? Over the counter? X_Digger Oct 2017 #166

Deal with being considered uncouth and inconsiderate treestar Oct 2017 #172

Oh look, someone else who gets their information from hollywood X_Digger Oct 2017 #174

Yes I do know very little about guns treestar Oct 2017 #175

Agree. No need for those unless you treestar Oct 2017 #170

The NRA is a terrorist organization. alarimer Oct 2017 #187

The op states that if the Vegas shooter had used a silencer SonofDonald Oct 2017 #201