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X_Digger

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119. You don't have the right to know what a random person has in their pockets.

Reply to HughBeaumont (Reply #112)

Tue Oct 3, 2017, 10:00 PM

Oct 2017

We won't delve into stasi-like surveillance just to reassure you.

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How did no one monitor the purchases? [View all] HughBeaumont Oct 2017 OP

There is someone monitoring your individual purchases? jberryhill Oct 2017 #1

Let me go buy some bomb making material. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #10

No, they wouldn't jberryhill Oct 2017 #19

Wait. That guy who I gave my SSN *wasn't* NSA? DAMMIT! Orrex Oct 2017 #158

What would the NSA have to do with that? MineralMan Oct 2017 #23

maybe this is going back to that treestar Oct 2017 #65

Weird shit surrounding this mass shooting. MineralMan Oct 2017 #79

Sorry but you are wrong. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #24

Why the hell would a bunch of people who listen to the radio be at your door? jmowreader Oct 2017 #44

Okay, fine jberryhill Oct 2017 #56

You are wrong. He purchased that material legally. He also doesn't fit a "terrorist" (brown Muslim) anneboleyn Oct 2017 #121

What you and a few others are doing is called "Dogpiling". HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #149

His son committed suicide by gunshot. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2017 #31

Holy shit..I had no idea of this block to investigations. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #47

This may come as a surprise, but jberryhill Oct 2017 #49

I imagine that when it comes to firearms SoCalNative Oct 2017 #57

You have a fine imagination jberryhill Oct 2017 #58

Then they should be SoCalNative Oct 2017 #60

Go to your local drugstore and see how much Sudafed you can buy Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #167

That's a different story jberryhill Oct 2017 #168

Most states don't track purchases. The sellers don't care as long as they get paid. underpants Oct 2017 #2

No one has to, apparently. femmocrat Oct 2017 #3

It is a requirement NOT to jberryhill Oct 2017 #5

There ya' go... femmocrat Oct 2017 #8

Freedom Has It's Costs SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #13

Guns are more important than people. That's how. Iggo Oct 2017 #4

ABSOLUTELY!! SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #14

Money is more important than people sharedvalues Oct 2017 #128

no one is monitoring this - simple - buy as many guns and as much ammo as you like DrDan Oct 2017 #6

I heard they track library books Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #7

I buy the Anarchist's Cookbook . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #11

Nonsense - that book is junk anyway jberryhill Oct 2017 #34

Let him shoot a room full of kids. Or a concert. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #35

I don't understand what you are trying to say jberryhill Oct 2017 #38

What's going to be his excuse for the guns AND the bomb-making material? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #39

No, I'm not saying that jberryhill Oct 2017 #40

On, "AND the bomb-making material"? jberryhill Oct 2017 #43

You are making the argument of why we need to enforce the 2nd, allowing for guns ONLY Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #53

Correct jberryhill Oct 2017 #54

When and where has it been enforced in this manner? Marengo Oct 2017 #169

Are you suggesting that since we have always let the NRA have their way and before Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #172

I'm asking for examples of where and when this interpretation of the 2A has been enforced since... Marengo Oct 2017 #173

It is not an interpretation, it is clearly what the 2nd says, and it is basic Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #174

Again, can you please provide examples of when and where this interpretation has been enforced. Marengo Oct 2017 #175

I dont understand the relevance of the question. What examples were there of Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #178

You are suggesting the 2A has been incorrectly interpreted and unenforced since 1791? Marengo Oct 2017 #181

They don't track library books obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #89

We can't even properly "monitor" people suspected of being involved in international terrorism inwiththenew Oct 2017 #9

The system is deliberately designed not to track this gratuitous Oct 2017 #12

Then we're heckin' LOST. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #15

Perhaps gratuitous Oct 2017 #18

BTW I'm sharing your link. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #25

THis reminds me of me arguing about how in the HELL is it possible an employer can FORCE Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #55

You can go to any Gun Show and Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #16

Well, here's another part of the problem: iscooterliberally Oct 2017 #17

there is no national registration of guns....thanks to nra and compliant republican congress spanone Oct 2017 #20

You really think a majority of Democratic congress members GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #26

they damn well should. spanone Oct 2017 #27

Yeah, well. You know... that's like your opinion GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #30

yes it is. spanone Oct 2017 #32

Just out of curiosity thucythucy Oct 2017 #42

For one thing, it makes them easier to steal. hack89 Oct 2017 #45

Now we're equating jewelry with guns. I have to admit I didn't see that one coming n/t kcr Oct 2017 #62

So you think stolen guns are not an issue? hack89 Oct 2017 #63

Oh, yes. I absolutely do. kcr Oct 2017 #66

But in your mind making lists of guns publicly available to thieves is a good thing? hack89 Oct 2017 #67

You think the alternative, not tracking gun sales and the resultant mass shootings is a good thing? kcr Oct 2017 #68

We are talking about listing people's private property on a public site hack89 Oct 2017 #74

Death by Private Property n/t kcr Oct 2017 #77

Civil rights are a bitch hack89 Oct 2017 #78

Death by Someone Merely Enjoying Their Civil Rights n/t kcr Oct 2017 #81

I personally prefer death through Bourbon. hack89 Oct 2017 #87

Sounds like a good time kcr Oct 2017 #88

Looks like you have a tough choice ahead of you hack89 Oct 2017 #90

It's not gun owners in general I have a problem with. kcr Oct 2017 #95

Then you should have no problem with me. hack89 Oct 2017 #97

I'm not sure. kcr Oct 2017 #100

I have owned guns for 40 years hack89 Oct 2017 #101

Yep. My mind is closed to seeing guns as harmless. Sorry. kcr Oct 2017 #105

So maybe not a public site. thucythucy Oct 2017 #127

How about just available thucythucy Oct 2017 #126

Explain to me how registration will save lives. hack89 Oct 2017 #132

I didn't say it was a panacea. thucythucy Oct 2017 #135

I agree with the ACLU on registration hack89 Oct 2017 #136

"Non negotiable in my case." thucythucy Oct 2017 #138

All but two hack89 Oct 2017 #140

Such as? thucythucy Oct 2017 #141

UBCs, licensing of gun owners, mag size limits, mandatory training. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #142

How can you enforce the licensing of gun owners thucythucy Oct 2017 #143

Ask Illinois. hack89 Oct 2017 #150

I'm asking you. thucythucy Oct 2017 #159

Because they don't link licenses to guns. hack89 Oct 2017 #160

So instead of a list of guns circulating thucythucy Oct 2017 #164

You can certainly mandate storage requirements hack89 Oct 2017 #166

Well then maybe they shouldn't own the $100 gun. thucythucy Oct 2017 #183

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #184

Can't see limits on range and caliber hack89 Oct 2017 #151

The ACLU is on the wrong side of more than one issue. They are not perfect. kcr Oct 2017 #153

With the public levels of distrust in government and it's agencies in general, I think it's a hard.. Marengo Oct 2017 #171

Usualy people say they keep guns for self defense, thucythucy Oct 2017 #125

If they're that valuable thucythucy Oct 2017 #124

Gun safes can be broken into hack89 Oct 2017 #133

Well then what you're saying is not even responsible gun owners thucythucy Oct 2017 #137

Yes I do. hack89 Oct 2017 #139

Yep. It would. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #46

So, let me see if I understand you... jberryhill Oct 2017 #51

Does the federal government keep a list of any of the things you mentioned? GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #70

Um, yeah, it certainly does jberryhill Oct 2017 #72

You are dodging GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #85

The silence is your answer....well played. AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #91

That is called Break time Oct 2017 #106

It's a violation of privacy. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author jberryhill Oct 2017 #52

Death by legal household good. n/t kcr Oct 2017 #64

Well, speaking of legal household goods NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #69

It could be a band name kcr Oct 2017 #75

Heh. You can complain or mock all you want. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #80

Oh, no! And then gerbils will marry fish! n/t kcr Oct 2017 #82

That's a tough one, ketchup or tarter sauce? nt NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #93

You really do have a tough time with categories, don't you? kcr Oct 2017 #96

I stopped taking you seriously from the first reply. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #99

Oh, so you are anti-civil rights, then. Semi-autos are just house hold goods :sarcasm: kcr Oct 2017 #154

Yawn. Strawman much? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #155

There's always a rational explanation as to why we can do nothing. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #33

There a big area between taking useful action GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #37

There is a list of everyone who has one of these jberryhill Oct 2017 #41

Uh, no dumbcat Oct 2017 #61

No there isn't... AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #94

Because only large Ammonium Nitrate purchases are tracked by Homeland Security. Guns by ATF. haele Oct 2017 #21

EXACTLY. EVERYTHING HE HAD HE PURCHASED LEGALLY. anneboleyn Oct 2017 #122

He was just a collector! rusty fender Oct 2017 #22

Gun lovers -- some on both sides -- have made that all but impossible. Hoyt Oct 2017 #28

Because, unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to buy those things. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #29

Its illegal to keep a database Nevernose Oct 2017 #36

Because we aren't a police state with a Stasi keeping records on everyone. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #48

Records are kept on all manner of things. No need to resort to a Stasi comparison. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #71

Nah, I learned to call it for what it is. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #86

That's right! Just visit any airport kcr Oct 2017 #73

Most Americans also like to go to a concert . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #107

Perhaps society shouldn't give civilians military grade weapons. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #144

There isn't anyway to monitor those purchases Always Right Oct 2017 #59

Do you want a police state? This is how you get a police state. X_Digger Oct 2017 #76

It's sickening isn't it? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #83

5th amendment? Screw that. 4th? If you haven't done anything wrong, what do you need to hide? n/t X_Digger Oct 2017 #92

Really? By just knowing who bought guns? That worries you? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #109

Read the other responses. 5th amendment? Gone. 4th? Just paper.. n/t X_Digger Oct 2017 #111

I think this is a gun worry for you, nothing else based on your posting history. n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #113

No, you'll see me supporting civil liberties. Be it voting, illegal search and seizure.. X_Digger Oct 2017 #118

Identifying my dead child with a gunshot wound would scare me even more. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #112

You don't have the right to know what a random person has in their pockets. X_Digger Oct 2017 #119

You can fit an SKS in your pocket? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #152

You apparently didn't read the content of this thread, then. X_Digger Oct 2017 #163

You're more likely to get a police state thucythucy Oct 2017 #129

Police state surveillance, random searches of homes, and unequal applications of laws isn't rational NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #145

None of which I recommended. thucythucy Oct 2017 #146

Just who is the "gun advocate" who compared it to a "Stasi style police state"? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #148

As someone who has family in Germany thucythucy Oct 2017 #157

I had family die in the holocaust. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #162

I called you a gun advocate because in a thread on guns and gun control thucythucy Oct 2017 #165

It's not a straw man, it's a legitimate fear born out by history. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #179

And yet thucythucy Oct 2017 #182

You do realize that gun control threads are where the most unconstitutional stuff get posted right? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #180

And the use of straw men such as "random searches of homes" thucythucy Oct 2017 #156

It was proposed on another thread. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #161

I wonder how he got MontanaMama Oct 2017 #84

Take golf bag, throw away golf clubs, add guns, roll into any hotel on the planet Not Ruth Oct 2017 #102

CNN said he had two or three large suitcases, and the guns were in part broken down and he anneboleyn Oct 2017 #123

There are thousands of people doing it, nothing unusual nt doc03 Oct 2017 #98

I remember seeing a pic of Chris Pratt, a hunter and actor, rolling what were obviously rifles into Not Ruth Oct 2017 #120

Yes. Okay... MontanaMama Oct 2017 #130

His name was Stephen, not Mohammed CanonRay Oct 2017 #103

Even when the name's Mohammed . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #110

Nobody in the gun distibution system considers themselves responsible Turbineguy Oct 2017 #104

State laws? nt Blue_true Oct 2017 #108

Maybe he won them through gambling? Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #114

Let's sing a song about the good ol' Mesquite gambler Steve Paddock! HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #116

I think we underestimate the various ways that people avoid the law. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #117

there is nothing to monitor Skittles Oct 2017 #115

I want to rec your post Lifelong Protester Oct 2017 #134

Because there are thousands of old men out there buying lots of guns every day. joshcryer Oct 2017 #131

And a public health hazard. nt thucythucy Oct 2017 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #170

Apparently that guy was small potatoes in the world of gun buyers. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #176

Nothing out of the ordinary, I know several gun humpers myself doc03 Oct 2017 #177