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thucythucy

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129. You're more likely to get a police state

Tue Oct 3, 2017, 11:15 PM

Oct 2017

when people are kept in a constant state of fear for their lives, apprehension for their loved ones.

When it gets to the point that people are afraid to be out in public for fear some bozo with an arsenal will kill them, or murder their children at school, that's when you become vulnerable to authoritarians like Trump.

The more public slaughter, the greater the risk of devolving into a police state.

And so, ironically, the ease of access to firearms, which the NRA tells us is a safeguard against tyranny, is actually one of the factors propelling us closer to that tyranny. Trump himself alluded to this with his "slaughter on the streets" BS in his inaugural speech.

Rather than rational gun control, we instead get the Great Leader/Father figure who tells us "only I can fix it."

I'd prefer the rational gun control.

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How did no one monitor the purchases? [View all] HughBeaumont Oct 2017 OP

There is someone monitoring your individual purchases? jberryhill Oct 2017 #1

Let me go buy some bomb making material. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #10

No, they wouldn't jberryhill Oct 2017 #19

Wait. That guy who I gave my SSN *wasn't* NSA? DAMMIT! Orrex Oct 2017 #158

What would the NSA have to do with that? MineralMan Oct 2017 #23

maybe this is going back to that treestar Oct 2017 #65

Weird shit surrounding this mass shooting. MineralMan Oct 2017 #79

Sorry but you are wrong. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #24

Why the hell would a bunch of people who listen to the radio be at your door? jmowreader Oct 2017 #44

Okay, fine jberryhill Oct 2017 #56

You are wrong. He purchased that material legally. He also doesn't fit a "terrorist" (brown Muslim) anneboleyn Oct 2017 #121

What you and a few others are doing is called "Dogpiling". HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #149

His son committed suicide by gunshot. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2017 #31

Holy shit..I had no idea of this block to investigations. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #47

This may come as a surprise, but jberryhill Oct 2017 #49

I imagine that when it comes to firearms SoCalNative Oct 2017 #57

You have a fine imagination jberryhill Oct 2017 #58

Then they should be SoCalNative Oct 2017 #60

Go to your local drugstore and see how much Sudafed you can buy Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #167

That's a different story jberryhill Oct 2017 #168

Most states don't track purchases. The sellers don't care as long as they get paid. underpants Oct 2017 #2

No one has to, apparently. femmocrat Oct 2017 #3

It is a requirement NOT to jberryhill Oct 2017 #5

There ya' go... femmocrat Oct 2017 #8

Freedom Has It's Costs SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #13

Guns are more important than people. That's how. Iggo Oct 2017 #4

ABSOLUTELY!! SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #14

Money is more important than people sharedvalues Oct 2017 #128

no one is monitoring this - simple - buy as many guns and as much ammo as you like DrDan Oct 2017 #6

I heard they track library books Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #7

I buy the Anarchist's Cookbook . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #11

Nonsense - that book is junk anyway jberryhill Oct 2017 #34

Let him shoot a room full of kids. Or a concert. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #35

I don't understand what you are trying to say jberryhill Oct 2017 #38

What's going to be his excuse for the guns AND the bomb-making material? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #39

No, I'm not saying that jberryhill Oct 2017 #40

On, "AND the bomb-making material"? jberryhill Oct 2017 #43

You are making the argument of why we need to enforce the 2nd, allowing for guns ONLY Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #53

Correct jberryhill Oct 2017 #54

When and where has it been enforced in this manner? Marengo Oct 2017 #169

Are you suggesting that since we have always let the NRA have their way and before Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #172

I'm asking for examples of where and when this interpretation of the 2A has been enforced since... Marengo Oct 2017 #173

It is not an interpretation, it is clearly what the 2nd says, and it is basic Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #174

Again, can you please provide examples of when and where this interpretation has been enforced. Marengo Oct 2017 #175

I dont understand the relevance of the question. What examples were there of Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #178

You are suggesting the 2A has been incorrectly interpreted and unenforced since 1791? Marengo Oct 2017 #181

They don't track library books obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #89

We can't even properly "monitor" people suspected of being involved in international terrorism inwiththenew Oct 2017 #9

The system is deliberately designed not to track this gratuitous Oct 2017 #12

Then we're heckin' LOST. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #15

Perhaps gratuitous Oct 2017 #18

BTW I'm sharing your link. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #25

THis reminds me of me arguing about how in the HELL is it possible an employer can FORCE Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #55

You can go to any Gun Show and Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #16

Well, here's another part of the problem: iscooterliberally Oct 2017 #17

there is no national registration of guns....thanks to nra and compliant republican congress spanone Oct 2017 #20

You really think a majority of Democratic congress members GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #26

they damn well should. spanone Oct 2017 #27

Yeah, well. You know... that's like your opinion GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #30

yes it is. spanone Oct 2017 #32

Just out of curiosity thucythucy Oct 2017 #42

For one thing, it makes them easier to steal. hack89 Oct 2017 #45

Now we're equating jewelry with guns. I have to admit I didn't see that one coming n/t kcr Oct 2017 #62

So you think stolen guns are not an issue? hack89 Oct 2017 #63

Oh, yes. I absolutely do. kcr Oct 2017 #66

But in your mind making lists of guns publicly available to thieves is a good thing? hack89 Oct 2017 #67

You think the alternative, not tracking gun sales and the resultant mass shootings is a good thing? kcr Oct 2017 #68

We are talking about listing people's private property on a public site hack89 Oct 2017 #74

Death by Private Property n/t kcr Oct 2017 #77

Civil rights are a bitch hack89 Oct 2017 #78

Death by Someone Merely Enjoying Their Civil Rights n/t kcr Oct 2017 #81

I personally prefer death through Bourbon. hack89 Oct 2017 #87

Sounds like a good time kcr Oct 2017 #88

Looks like you have a tough choice ahead of you hack89 Oct 2017 #90

It's not gun owners in general I have a problem with. kcr Oct 2017 #95

Then you should have no problem with me. hack89 Oct 2017 #97

I'm not sure. kcr Oct 2017 #100

I have owned guns for 40 years hack89 Oct 2017 #101

Yep. My mind is closed to seeing guns as harmless. Sorry. kcr Oct 2017 #105

So maybe not a public site. thucythucy Oct 2017 #127

How about just available thucythucy Oct 2017 #126

Explain to me how registration will save lives. hack89 Oct 2017 #132

I didn't say it was a panacea. thucythucy Oct 2017 #135

I agree with the ACLU on registration hack89 Oct 2017 #136

"Non negotiable in my case." thucythucy Oct 2017 #138

All but two hack89 Oct 2017 #140

Such as? thucythucy Oct 2017 #141

UBCs, licensing of gun owners, mag size limits, mandatory training. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #142

How can you enforce the licensing of gun owners thucythucy Oct 2017 #143

Ask Illinois. hack89 Oct 2017 #150

I'm asking you. thucythucy Oct 2017 #159

Because they don't link licenses to guns. hack89 Oct 2017 #160

So instead of a list of guns circulating thucythucy Oct 2017 #164

You can certainly mandate storage requirements hack89 Oct 2017 #166

Well then maybe they shouldn't own the $100 gun. thucythucy Oct 2017 #183

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #184

Can't see limits on range and caliber hack89 Oct 2017 #151

The ACLU is on the wrong side of more than one issue. They are not perfect. kcr Oct 2017 #153

With the public levels of distrust in government and it's agencies in general, I think it's a hard.. Marengo Oct 2017 #171

Usualy people say they keep guns for self defense, thucythucy Oct 2017 #125

If they're that valuable thucythucy Oct 2017 #124

Gun safes can be broken into hack89 Oct 2017 #133

Well then what you're saying is not even responsible gun owners thucythucy Oct 2017 #137

Yes I do. hack89 Oct 2017 #139

Yep. It would. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #46

So, let me see if I understand you... jberryhill Oct 2017 #51

Does the federal government keep a list of any of the things you mentioned? GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #70

Um, yeah, it certainly does jberryhill Oct 2017 #72

You are dodging GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #85

The silence is your answer....well played. AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #91

That is called Break time Oct 2017 #106

It's a violation of privacy. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author jberryhill Oct 2017 #52

Death by legal household good. n/t kcr Oct 2017 #64

Well, speaking of legal household goods NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #69

It could be a band name kcr Oct 2017 #75

Heh. You can complain or mock all you want. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #80

Oh, no! And then gerbils will marry fish! n/t kcr Oct 2017 #82

That's a tough one, ketchup or tarter sauce? nt NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #93

You really do have a tough time with categories, don't you? kcr Oct 2017 #96

I stopped taking you seriously from the first reply. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #99

Oh, so you are anti-civil rights, then. Semi-autos are just house hold goods :sarcasm: kcr Oct 2017 #154

Yawn. Strawman much? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #155

There's always a rational explanation as to why we can do nothing. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #33

There a big area between taking useful action GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #37

There is a list of everyone who has one of these jberryhill Oct 2017 #41

Uh, no dumbcat Oct 2017 #61

No there isn't... AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #94

Because only large Ammonium Nitrate purchases are tracked by Homeland Security. Guns by ATF. haele Oct 2017 #21

EXACTLY. EVERYTHING HE HAD HE PURCHASED LEGALLY. anneboleyn Oct 2017 #122

He was just a collector! rusty fender Oct 2017 #22

Gun lovers -- some on both sides -- have made that all but impossible. Hoyt Oct 2017 #28

Because, unfortunately, it's perfectly legal to buy those things. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #29

Its illegal to keep a database Nevernose Oct 2017 #36

Because we aren't a police state with a Stasi keeping records on everyone. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #48

Records are kept on all manner of things. No need to resort to a Stasi comparison. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #71

Nah, I learned to call it for what it is. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #86

That's right! Just visit any airport kcr Oct 2017 #73

Most Americans also like to go to a concert . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #107

Perhaps society shouldn't give civilians military grade weapons. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #144

There isn't anyway to monitor those purchases Always Right Oct 2017 #59

Do you want a police state? This is how you get a police state. X_Digger Oct 2017 #76

It's sickening isn't it? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #83

5th amendment? Screw that. 4th? If you haven't done anything wrong, what do you need to hide? n/t X_Digger Oct 2017 #92

Really? By just knowing who bought guns? That worries you? nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #109

Read the other responses. 5th amendment? Gone. 4th? Just paper.. n/t X_Digger Oct 2017 #111

I think this is a gun worry for you, nothing else based on your posting history. n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #113

No, you'll see me supporting civil liberties. Be it voting, illegal search and seizure.. X_Digger Oct 2017 #118

Identifying my dead child with a gunshot wound would scare me even more. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #112

You don't have the right to know what a random person has in their pockets. X_Digger Oct 2017 #119

You can fit an SKS in your pocket? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #152

You apparently didn't read the content of this thread, then. X_Digger Oct 2017 #163

You're more likely to get a police state thucythucy Oct 2017 #129

Police state surveillance, random searches of homes, and unequal applications of laws isn't rational NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #145

None of which I recommended. thucythucy Oct 2017 #146

Just who is the "gun advocate" who compared it to a "Stasi style police state"? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #148

As someone who has family in Germany thucythucy Oct 2017 #157

I had family die in the holocaust. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #162

I called you a gun advocate because in a thread on guns and gun control thucythucy Oct 2017 #165

It's not a straw man, it's a legitimate fear born out by history. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #179

And yet thucythucy Oct 2017 #182

You do realize that gun control threads are where the most unconstitutional stuff get posted right? NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #180

And the use of straw men such as "random searches of homes" thucythucy Oct 2017 #156

It was proposed on another thread. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #161

I wonder how he got MontanaMama Oct 2017 #84

Take golf bag, throw away golf clubs, add guns, roll into any hotel on the planet Not Ruth Oct 2017 #102

CNN said he had two or three large suitcases, and the guns were in part broken down and he anneboleyn Oct 2017 #123

There are thousands of people doing it, nothing unusual nt doc03 Oct 2017 #98

I remember seeing a pic of Chris Pratt, a hunter and actor, rolling what were obviously rifles into Not Ruth Oct 2017 #120

Yes. Okay... MontanaMama Oct 2017 #130

His name was Stephen, not Mohammed CanonRay Oct 2017 #103

Even when the name's Mohammed . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #110

Nobody in the gun distibution system considers themselves responsible Turbineguy Oct 2017 #104

State laws? nt Blue_true Oct 2017 #108

Maybe he won them through gambling? Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #114

Let's sing a song about the good ol' Mesquite gambler Steve Paddock! HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #116

I think we underestimate the various ways that people avoid the law. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #117

there is nothing to monitor Skittles Oct 2017 #115

I want to rec your post Lifelong Protester Oct 2017 #134

Because there are thousands of old men out there buying lots of guns every day. joshcryer Oct 2017 #131

And a public health hazard. nt thucythucy Oct 2017 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #170

Apparently that guy was small potatoes in the world of gun buyers. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #176

Nothing out of the ordinary, I know several gun humpers myself doc03 Oct 2017 #177