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Yeah Its Spin

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59. Ok, the bootstrapping schools part first...

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:03 AM

Jul 2012

Horace Mann said, Education is the great equalizer then in order for us to have a society where anyone of us, no matter our station, can 'pull ourselves up by the bootstraps', then we need to take an approach at making education equal, not competitive as is happening with the current business model that's been applied, that attempts to pump out products rather than informed citizens, and in so doing, widens the valley between the Title I schools in urban areas and the middle class schools which are better prepared. I challenge you to live in the conditions of a poor person and then with no help, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

Finland came from behind to become the world leader in student achievement. Their strategy is the opposite of what we’re doing in America.
http://www.nea.org/home/40991.htm

the Hillary part, I think is self explanatory.

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Powerful post SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #75

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I get it. Success is not possible without some degree of government involvement. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #43

As Hillary said, It takes a village Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #45

Ya know - I'm not sure Hillary was talking about becoming successful in business. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #47

bootstrapping schools ;) Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #51

Otay... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #55

Ok, the bootstrapping schools part first... Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #59

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here's one definition of successful hfojvt Jul 2012 #98

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