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In reply to the discussion: "Making the perfect the enemy of the good." [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)105. The politics of the 90's was very different...
B. Clinton triangulated out of necessity, selectively amplifying tough decisions he made that he wasn't happy with and ignoring impactful ways he defended democratic principles don't provide a full picture. Context is lost in easy comparisons between eras.
Its impossible to understand Bill Clintons political strategy without appreciating the desperation of the circumstances he and his party faced when he ran for office. The vaunted New Deal majority built by Franklin Roosevelt had collapsed in the 1960s, and the cause of its death was race specifically, the perception that the Democratic Party had come to represent black interests at the expense of white ones. Republicans won every presidential election from 1968 through 1988, the sole exception being Jimmy Carters razor-thin 1976 victory, propelled by the overhang of the Watergate scandal, and bereft of progressive domestic accomplishment. These white Democratic defectors express a profound distaste for blacks, a sentiment that pervades almost everything they think about government and politics, concluded pollster Stanley Greenberg, who met with voters in the Detroit suburb of Macomb County to understand why they had flocked to the Republican Party.
It did not seem at the time that liberalism was merely in the midst of a historical pause between spurts of activism. It seemed that liberalism was completely dead, and Reaganism, which spoke for the growing Sun Belt, owned the future, and the main question in American politics was the speed at which the welfare state would be dismantled.
Greenberg worked for Clinton, who set out to build a party that could continue to represent African-Americans while also winning enough white voters to assemble a majority. That was the message sent by Clintons embrace of welfare reform and a crime law, his repudiation of Sister Souljah and his execution of mentally disabled murderer Ricky Ray Rector. Clinton did not fully or even mostly capitulate to racism. He vetoed two previous, more draconian welfare bills before ultimately signing the third, which he deemed a decent welfare bill wrapped in a sack of shit. He likewise appointed the most diverse administration in history to that point, and defended affirmative action against Republican attempts to abolish it.
One could make the case that Clinton compromised more than necessary, or that he accomplished too little (those accomplishments include the Family and Medical Leave Act, a more generous Earned-Income Tax Credit and a higher top tax rate, and an economic boom that yielded across-the-board wage gains). The point is that Clinton made those compromises in the face of real pressure. That African-Americans remained his most loyal constituency throughout his presidency attests to Clintons success in maintaining his partys trans-racial appeal even as he reassured dubious whites.
It did not seem at the time that liberalism was merely in the midst of a historical pause between spurts of activism. It seemed that liberalism was completely dead, and Reaganism, which spoke for the growing Sun Belt, owned the future, and the main question in American politics was the speed at which the welfare state would be dismantled.
Greenberg worked for Clinton, who set out to build a party that could continue to represent African-Americans while also winning enough white voters to assemble a majority. That was the message sent by Clintons embrace of welfare reform and a crime law, his repudiation of Sister Souljah and his execution of mentally disabled murderer Ricky Ray Rector. Clinton did not fully or even mostly capitulate to racism. He vetoed two previous, more draconian welfare bills before ultimately signing the third, which he deemed a decent welfare bill wrapped in a sack of shit. He likewise appointed the most diverse administration in history to that point, and defended affirmative action against Republican attempts to abolish it.
One could make the case that Clinton compromised more than necessary, or that he accomplished too little (those accomplishments include the Family and Medical Leave Act, a more generous Earned-Income Tax Credit and a higher top tax rate, and an economic boom that yielded across-the-board wage gains). The point is that Clinton made those compromises in the face of real pressure. That African-Americans remained his most loyal constituency throughout his presidency attests to Clintons success in maintaining his partys trans-racial appeal even as he reassured dubious whites.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/clinton-and-the-politics-of-90s-racial-backlash.html
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Obviously, it is wrong to say that there's NO difference between the two parties
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#13
Not about her-about the way that phrase"don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good"-
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#17
Because every decision, every piece of legislation has a numerical metric of over or under 50%
ehrnst
Oct 2017
#59
That phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" goes back to the Nineties
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#21
"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" goes back even farther than the '90's
ehrnst
Oct 2017
#23
I know it goes back to Voltaire, but it became a party maxim in the Nineties.
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#29
I think you might be very disappointed to learn about the Civil Rights act of 1964
ehrnst
Oct 2017
#65
It was a different time. But for a lot of us, it's a big thing to want to be sure...
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#106
Well, I do agree Dems could have done much better to sell H/C legislation to the public..
JHan
Oct 2017
#113
"Tearing allies down gives ammo to their opponents..." Yes indeed. I'd also add...
NurseJackie
Oct 2017
#114
For a refreshing change, why not blame Republicans for Republican-majority legislation
betsuni
Oct 2017
#52
There are few if any situations where Democratic presidents HAVE to sign Republican legislation.
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#55
Sorry Ken, your misinterpretation of HRC's point/words seems like a real stretch to me.
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#70
I did say I agree fully with what she says in the last line quoted in the OP.
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#93
One counterarguemnt for your citation is the ACA, or "Obamacare" as it is framed.
guillaumeb
Oct 2017
#40
And the motivation, the root of THAT particular backlash was open racism. eom
guillaumeb
Oct 2017
#43
yes exactly. It was a a respectable strategy. Now we know it doesn't work. We know there is no
JCanete
Oct 2017
#48
ACA is not 'the same' as Heritage. "The Heritage Plan *Was* The Conservative Alternate to the ACA"
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#69
Nobody on the left is actually against fixing K-12. It's just that by itself, that isn't enough.
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#86
You believe a lack of college education renders secondary and primary education irrelevant?
LanternWaste
Oct 2017
#87
Of course the quote is accurate. Your "spin" is a logical leap you've made that is not
emulatorloo
Oct 2017
#103
It should be acknowledged though, that there is a distinction between compromising
JCanete
Oct 2017
#47
Interesting, thanks. That is absolutely a distinction. I'd assumed it was worse than Obamacare, but
JCanete
Oct 2017
#71
Yep, even I forgot . There's enough misinformation about the ACA out there already
JHan
Oct 2017
#76
I certainly don't always know. Sometimes I'm wrong. I'm not interested in going to the grave being
JCanete
Oct 2017
#78