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Lee-Lee

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55. Is your goal the regulation of guns or the reduction of gun violence?

Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:50 AM

Oct 2017

First you need to define your desired end state.

Is what you place on a higher priority the reduce of the misuse of guns and violence done with them, or is the goal just regulation and reduction of ownership.

Because the two are not the same and it's not the same path. There are some ways the two go together but others where they diverge in what steps you take.

So, to answer you question do you want as a primary goal to reduce the number of people killed and injured by guns, or is your primary goal just to regulate guns and stop ownership?

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everything still_one Oct 2017 #1

They are afraid they will be banned - Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #2

Yes. Fear is the unifying characteristic of all gun advocates. Orrex Oct 2017 #13

Even if they didn't need one treestar Oct 2017 #23

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I'm one of those ignorant and uninformed people treestar Oct 2017 #28

Just when you think they couldn't come up with even more idiotic excuses... GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #42

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Reinstatement of the assault weapons ban with a new twist. roamer65 Oct 2017 #5

No offense, but that last bit is BS. Adrahil Oct 2017 #12

the people who actually know what they are treestar Oct 2017 #24

I know these weapons pretty well... so do others here. Adrahil Oct 2017 #40

Are there people who know a lot about guns who are willing to come up with these regulations? sarisataka Oct 2017 #45

Haven't notice that treestar Oct 2017 #46

There are those on the "gun" side sarisataka Oct 2017 #52

If you want UBC to pass open NICS so anyone can use it Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #57

That would be ideal sarisataka Oct 2017 #66

Because people who know what they are talking about know it's the wrong approach Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #53

Well then what is reasonable treestar Oct 2017 #54

Is your goal the regulation of guns or the reduction of gun violence? Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #55

Obviously reduce the killings and injuries treestar Oct 2017 #56

Ok well here is my approach Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #71

I would say regulate semi automatic firearms under the NFA, with the same process as obtaining... Marengo Oct 2017 #75

Then ban all of the WMD Firearms then, legislstion without the loopholes. "it was bad last time" is uponit7771 Oct 2017 #31

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This is what is wrong madaboutharry Oct 2017 #6

No, make gun owners buy liability insurance misanthrope Oct 2017 #8

Sorry to say that they dismiss that very reasonable suggestion outright Orrex Oct 2017 #14

That's because ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #15

You joined yesterday and are already suggesting that I'm not a Democrat? Orrex Oct 2017 #16

Do you snowybirdie Oct 2017 #29

Yes, obviously. I'm not an asshole. Orrex Oct 2017 #30

The comment snowybirdie Oct 2017 #35

Oh. Whoops. Orrex Oct 2017 #37

Of course I do ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #58

However snowybirdie Oct 2017 #64

I'm not suggesting that you are not a Democrat ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #63

People don't have a constitutional right to own WMDs uponit7771 Oct 2017 #33

I've never considered whether that is the case ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #67

A wmd is any device designed to kill massive amount of people in a short time and that includes uponit7771 Oct 2017 #68

So two thoughts ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #70

The can call a cat a car all they want, but it took 10 mins for him to wound or kill 600 people ... uponit7771 Oct 2017 #72

Well, no its not ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #78

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Could an insurance company make money treestar Oct 2017 #61

No. It will make the NRA a fortune though hack89 Oct 2017 #17

Sounds like a win win ... harder to get WMDs and they make more money. Sounds like a good idea uponit7771 Oct 2017 #34

But it won't make much of a difference hack89 Oct 2017 #39

They will make a fortune--until they have to start paying out. GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #41

They will write their policies so they don't have to pay out for criminal acts hack89 Oct 2017 #43

They should have to at least do as much as treestar Oct 2017 #26

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It's a human trait - people rush to buy something that will soon go off market. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #7

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Fuck, I hate this country some times. Initech Oct 2017 #74

To answer your question... Snackshack Oct 2017 #10

The people buying them are future mass murderers workinclasszero Oct 2017 #11

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Right workinclasszero Oct 2017 #21

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the head phone might damage his hearing treestar Oct 2017 #27

Ho ho ho m*******ckers! workinclasszero Oct 2017 #48

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Sick, but oh-so-predictable. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #51

They are making a mistake. Man_Bear_Pig Oct 2017 #20

The BATF is in a tough spot.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #50

This is so sad janterry Oct 2017 #32

For me and my family and my personal opinion "I do not feel safe" Iliyah Oct 2017 #36

Why? Because they want to outdo Paddock? muntrv Oct 2017 #38

Doncha know? If everyone at the Route 91 Festival had bump stocks, they coulda muntrv Oct 2017 #44

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Americans killing Americans bdamomma Oct 2017 #60

Mentally ill. democratisphere Oct 2017 #69

This is why we can't have nice things!!!! Initech Oct 2017 #73

Cuz you just never know when Turbineguy Oct 2017 #76

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