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63. Carter was not a career military man - he was a governor before becoming President...

Fri Oct 6, 2017, 01:53 AM

Oct 2017

Same for JFK, never a career military man.

Eisenhower? Not one of our best presidents.

Point is, yeah, lots of presidents have had military experience but few of them were career military men and of those, most kind of sucked at civil office. Grant, for one, who ran one of the most corrupt administrations in history.

I'm not saying military men are bad people, quite the contrary. It's just that a military approach is ill suited to leading a nation subject to a civil or legal constitution. The military is based on slavish devotion to duty, a rigid command structure, and ultimately in violence and death as needed. These are not qualities that lend themselves to running a nation in peace with any appreciable degree of freedom for its citizenry.

Washington may well be the exception that proves the rule. But then, a lot of founders wanted to make him king instead of president. What does that tell us?

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**RUMOR** Chief of Staff Kelly has resigned. [View all] RandySF Oct 2017 OP

He's lasted longer than I expected... Rollo Oct 2017 #1

You might want to delete four words from your post jmowreader Oct 2017 #6

That may be, but... Rollo Oct 2017 #52

More military men not suited to lead.. flyingfysh Oct 2017 #54

Carter was not a career military man - he was a governor before becoming President... Rollo Oct 2017 #63

There was Andrew Jackson flyingfysh Oct 2017 #72

Career or not, choosing to serve in the military makes one a military dude, IMO. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #76

Your definition, not mine... Rollo Oct 2017 #95

The National Guard is a military organization... Rollo Oct 2017 #108

Each of us has the right to define "military dude" how we intend it to mean. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #109

I don't think serving the military makes anybody worse, or better than those who haven't... Rollo Oct 2017 #113

Plenty of civilians would make bad president too. MGKrebs Oct 2017 #78

George Washington and TrishaJ Oct 2017 #87

Grant is generally accepted to have been one of our worst presidents... Rollo Oct 2017 #96

This is true. TrishaJ Oct 2017 #100

Grant obviously was more personally honorable and brave than Trump... Rollo Oct 2017 #106

Which is why Teddy Roosevelt was such a bad president jmowreader Oct 2017 #61

Roosevelt was not a career military man, either. Rollo Oct 2017 #64

You ever hear of the First Rule of Holes? jmowreader Oct 2017 #65

No he was a rather mediocre president... Rollo Oct 2017 #66

The Interstate Highway system. Jim Beard Oct 2017 #84

The interstate highway system wasn't Eisenhower's idea... Rollo Oct 2017 #97

So very true. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #93

I don't think that's true. Not for the U.S., anyway. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #74

GW Bush served in the military, in the Texas Air National Guard... Rollo Oct 2017 #98

Aww...Thanks, jmow. trof Oct 2017 #110

Not just a military dude. He's a gold star father. NT Ilsa Oct 2017 #17

OMG! I did t know that. I will hold him in high esteem for that ultimate sacrifice. MLAA Oct 2017 #24

Why atreides1 Oct 2017 #38

Good point. There is room to hold them both in high esteem. MLAA Oct 2017 #39

Not if he worked for Trump HopeAgain Oct 2017 #41

Don't Ever Discount or Underestimate the Pain of a Parent Who Has Lost a Child Leith Oct 2017 #47

So he deals with his pain by deporting the DACA kids... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #71

Goddamned Kelly enthusiastically wrecked families when running ICE/Homeland Kolesar Oct 2017 #103

Some of the men around Trump are trying to save the country from him, you know. Hekate Oct 2017 #49

Yes... dhill926 Oct 2017 #60

Agreed ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #77

Ever wonder why the Founders made sure the military would be under civilian control? Rollo Oct 2017 #67

I don't think he's leaving. We've heard this rumor before. Look at who posted the tweet. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #73

Lame. tymorial Oct 2017 #80

IF this is true, it's too bad. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2017 #2

I was looking for someone to say this. Personally I am kind of scared for him to go. Although Maraya1969 Oct 2017 #30

I agree--and am no fan of Kelly. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #46

I do believe he tried. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2017 #81

... skylucy Oct 2017 #3

I kinda hope not. Kelly seems like a sane person, unlike 45. Wrong, maybe, but sane. Shrike47 Oct 2017 #4

Tough old military guy janterry Oct 2017 #8

WOW WOW WOW Who do you think COULD do it? How about the Terminator? nt Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2017 #5

He might bring Bannon back. Chipper Chat Oct 2017 #7

hmmm. he fired him. wonder, in Trump's life, if there was anyone Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2017 #27

I hope not bdamomma Oct 2017 #9

Mush here as well, momma - had to google, but confirmed my suspicion that Kelly replaced Leghorn21 Oct 2017 #15

so Bannon bdamomma Oct 2017 #23

Well, Bannons mini-me Stephen Miller is still floating around the WH I believe...doing what, i Leghorn21 Oct 2017 #36

oh that guy is bdamomma Oct 2017 #37

Priebus was the former chief of staff. nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #29

oh whew bdamomma Oct 2017 #34

Well, Friday Night News Dump would make sense TDale313 Oct 2017 #10

Yah, that's the MO. a kennedy Oct 2017 #14

Don't let the door hit your fascist butt on the way out joeybee12 Oct 2017 #11

Ditto Iliyah Oct 2017 #32

It may be Kelly and Mc Master together. roamer65 Oct 2017 #12

Another rumor, not sure why we post these without proof. nt USALiberal Oct 2017 #13

I agree. cwydro Oct 2017 #70

Purge them all, then lock them up! ffr Oct 2017 #16

I thought I was on DU. democratisphere Oct 2017 #18

Twitter also said the Fucking Moron was going to resign months ago Major Nikon Oct 2017 #22

Lol. cwydro Oct 2017 #91

What about the suicide pack? exboyfil Oct 2017 #19

That could certainly be the storm Trump meant marylandblue Oct 2017 #25

SOCIOPOTUS Goonch Oct 2017 #20

Tea Pain RT ffr Oct 2017 #21

Seems like this one is upsetting him even more Iliyah Oct 2017 #33

I got a bit frightened watching that LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #51

Who is this person and is she credible? nycbos Oct 2017 #26

The rumor has been floating around since yesterday when he got off AF 1 marylandblue Oct 2017 #28

I hope it's not true. He wasn't doing a very good job of keeping Trump smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #31

As we witness people fleeing this sinking ship Grammy23 Oct 2017 #35

Will moron bring Bannon back? Lolol BootinUp Oct 2017 #40

Who is Sarah Smith and why does she have any credibility with you? SharonClark Oct 2017 #42

She has a JD and spent 18 years in Government ethics law leftofcool Oct 2017 #55

Thanks for responding since the author of the post appears to be a 'post and run'. SharonClark Oct 2017 #82

I figured he's the guy who'd prevent trump from nuking North Korea. Who's left to stop him? NBachers Oct 2017 #43

God this Administration is a nightmare and a trainwreck. Oneironaut Oct 2017 #44

Totally believable, but its also believable Commander Marmalade aikoaiko Oct 2017 #45

Who is Sarah Smith and how good are her sources? onenote Oct 2017 #48

Why is no one else reporting this "rumor"? former9thward Oct 2017 #50

It's not even a rumor Pugster Oct 2017 #116

No surprise really. hamsterjill Oct 2017 #53

Nothing "nowhere" online to back this up left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #56

No there isn't, which makes it a rumor. RandySF Oct 2017 #57

"No there isn't, which makes it a rumor." left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #79

Delete your op. cwydro Oct 2017 #92

Censorship is what makes us look stupid... Rollo Oct 2017 #99

Who is Sarah Smith? nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #58

The pertinent question 11cents Oct 2017 #62

Another Day, Another Crisis. This is the Worst Ccarmona Oct 2017 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #68

He was probably looking for a reason. octoberlib Oct 2017 #69

Mattis, Tillerson, and Kelly need to resign and denounce Trump Johnny2X2X Oct 2017 #75

"a good source?" MineralMan Oct 2017 #83

I hope this rumor is false. dawg Oct 2017 #85

It's false. cwydro Oct 2017 #94

Does Trump want Kelly out in order to start a war? Botany Oct 2017 #86

Since the man has more than two brain cells, liberalhistorian Oct 2017 #88

Please delete thread Pugster Oct 2017 #89

I know. cwydro Oct 2017 #90

was? Sanity Claws Oct 2017 #102

It's a rumor, and OP has specified as much. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #107

The source has no connection with the White House, and isn't a journalist Pugster Oct 2017 #112

All media needs to NOT take the weekend off, with Kelly out we are Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #101

We don't know if Kelly is out. bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #105

No, but CNN is picking it up. RandySF Oct 2017 #111

Really? Got a link to that? onenote Oct 2017 #117

calm before the storm????? MFM008 Oct 2017 #104

So Im guessing this didnt happen? Calista241 Oct 2017 #114

Nope, never did. cwydro Oct 2017 #118

This "Sarah Smith" has deleted her rumor tweet that Kelly was going to leave by Friday. It was false Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #115